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    Default Re: rome 2 total war and europa barbarorum

    only 8 playable factions at launch? Seems a bit weedy, also 3 of them are minor 'barbarian' kingdoms... you would think the greeks, seleucids or ptolemids would take priority. Perhaps CA is on another eurocentric bent after shogun 2? What interests me is the non-playable factions... will the player be able to unlock them by messing around with text files, or will be they locked down with protection?


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    Is it my impression (perhaps somebody else has already noted so), but does CA get a lot of inspiration from Europa Barbarorum and its team? I mean, the names of the tribes, suddenly it's all reality, and all names just like in Europa Barbarorum. I can only applaud this, but it strikes me at the same time.
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    as if they'd ever admit it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmus View Post
    Is it my impression (perhaps somebody else has already noted so), but does CA get a lot of inspiration from Europa Barbarorum and its team? I mean, the names of the tribes, suddenly it's all reality, and all names just like in Europa Barbarorum. I can only applaud this, but it strikes me at the same time.
    They took the initiative to be historically responsible this time around. Only because they have seen the success of mods like EB. But they're still doing silly things like faction colours, anachronistic siege weapons, fantasy architecture.
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    what siege weapons? i didn't know that!

    of course siege weapons in EB1 weren't historically accurate either.
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    It's most likely just going to be some DLC hell like.. Well, like almost every other CA game released. Except now we might actually get something nice instead of same units with different textures.

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    only 8 playable factions at launch?
    i'd guess it'll be like the first Rome Total War and you have to complete campaigns playing the first 8 factions before it will 'unlock' others, which is and pointless. Why not let people play the factions they like most from the start?

    Is it my impression (perhaps somebody else has already noted so), but does CA get a lot of inspiration from Europa Barbarorum and its team? I mean, the names of the tribes, suddenly it's all reality, and all names just like in Europa Barbarorum. I can only applaud this, but it strikes me at the same time.
    Does look that way from the faction names and the screens they've released so far - that's a good thing though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmus View Post
    Is it my impression (perhaps somebody else has already noted so), but does CA get a lot of inspiration from Europa Barbarorum and its team? I mean, the names of the tribes, suddenly it's all reality, and all names just like in Europa Barbarorum. I can only applaud this, but it strikes me at the same time.
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    At least they gave EB some credit, calling it breathtaking, unlike RS2....

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    The original EB took 2 years of development? If so why is the sequel taking so long in comparison? You would think the process would be even faster the second time round?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nein View Post
    The original EB took 2 years of development? If so why is the sequel taking so long in comparison? You would think the process would be even faster the second time round?
    Because we're lazy...

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    Wow
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    Default Re: rome 2 total war and europa barbarorum

    is the dev team much smaller? Do they have much less time on their hands? Are they trying to create something radically different to the original? I would have treated EB2 as a graphical update, with some new features/factions thrown in but not trying to reinvent the wheel


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    They started from scratch i believe, so they had to gather all historical evidence and research again.

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    Yes, but not with the historical research which indeed has undergone some majors changes in some areas but that's not the main reason.
    The problem is quite obvious and I don't understand how people can't see it.

    We're modding a medieval era game, which meant redoing all the units, gameplay(new scripts, mechanics, etc.), campaign map, new animations, buildings and pretty much everything in it.
    And we didn't wan't to just port EB1 to the M2TW engine, we wanted to bring something new. Something that even after so many years from it's start it would still look good.
    That's why we've put so much detail in the units and which take the most time to complete.

    I even tried to create the graphic enchancer to spice up a bit the old look of M2TW.
    But sadly there are some limits on what you can do and the M2TW shaders are compiled containing assembly code and hard to modify for new effects, compared to newer TW games.

    Also it's again quite obvious that the units take a lot more time to do, I would say it takes 1 week to do a unit compared to 1 day back then with RTW, when you only had to do a very low poly model and a diffuse texture.

    Those are the main reasons why it's taking so long.
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    A very ambitious plan, which has so far devoured 9, or more, years. I visit this forum regularly for three years. No, no one tells me to do it of course but... RTW 2 appears on the horizon. Of course, graphics are not everything (but increases the immersion) but if there is the possibility of making mods... with all respect to your hard work- who will remember about your project? Not that many people who talk about it today.
    For comparison. Not long ago I had the opportunity to complete Half Life 2. The game is great but how many there are who would like to play a game that was released 11 years ago?

    I do not want to offend anyone. it is not my intention. A small digression from an insignificant user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinji View Post
    A very ambitious plan, which has so far devoured 9, or more, years. I visit this forum regularly for three years. No, no one tells me to do it of course but... RTW 2 appears on the horizon. Of course, graphics are not everything (but increases the immersion) but if there is the possibility of making mods... with all respect to your hard work- who will remember about your project? Not that many people who talk about it today.
    For comparison. Not long ago I had the opportunity to complete Half Life 2. The game is great but how many there are who would like to play a game that was released 11 years ago?

    I do not want to offend anyone. it is not my intention. A small digression from an insignificant user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirinji View Post
    For comparison. Not long ago I had the opportunity to complete Half Life 2. The game is great but how many there are who would like to play a game that was released 11 years ago?
    I would. I finished that game at least 4 times and even the first one I've finished it 3 times, most recently a couple years ago when it was ported to the Source Engine.
    And of course played the Black Mesa Mod which was awesome and one of the best mods ever made.

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    Not everyone would go for the newer game, just because it's graphics are better. I still play games such as Knights of Honor or Europa Universalis Rome and Battle for Wesnoth. I don't think the people, which waited for this jewel for years, would just forget about it because of R2. It's most likely we would play both

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    Quote Originally Posted by bojieh View Post
    Not everyone would go for the newer game, just because it's graphics are better. I still play games such as Knights of Honor or Europa Universalis Rome and Battle for Wesnoth. I don't think the people, which waited for this jewel for years, would just forget about it because of R2. It's most likely we would play both
    I would, lol
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