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    Default sneaky Supreme Court upholds (for now) key portion of Arizona immigration law

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf

    from opinion syllabus, for more details, read the relevant portion of the opinion

    4. It was improper to enjoin §2(B) before the state courts had an
    opportunity to construe it and without some showing that §2(B)’s enforcement in fact conflicts with federal immigration law and its objectives.
    Pp. 19–24.
    (a) The state provision has three limitations: A detainee is presumed not to be an illegal alien if he or she provides a valid Arizona
    driver’s license or similar identification; officers may not consider
    race, color, or national origin “except to the extent permitted by the United States [and] Arizona Constitution[s]”; and §2(B) must be “implemented in a manner consistent with federal law regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the
    privileges and immunities of United States citizens.” P. 20.
    (b) This Court finds unpersuasive the argument that, even with
    those limits, §2(B) must be held preempted at this stage. Pp. 20–24.
    (1) The mandatory nature of the status checks does not interfere with the federal immigration scheme. Consultation between federal and state officials is an important feature of the immigration
    system. In fact, Congress has encouraged the sharing of information
    about possible immigration violations. See §§1357(g)(10)(A), 1373(c).
    The federal scheme thus leaves room for a policy requiring state officials to contact ICE as a routine matter. Cf. Whiting, 563 U. S., at
    ___. Pp. 20–21.
    (2) It is not clear at this stage and on this record that §2(B), in
    practice, will require state officers to delay the release of detainees
    for no reason other than to verify their immigration status. This
    would raise constitutional concerns. And it would disrupt the federal
    framework to put state officers in the position of holding aliens in
    custody for possible unlawful presence without federal direction and
    supervision. But §2(B) could be read to avoid these concerns. If the
    law only requires state officers to conduct a status check during the
    course of an authorized, lawful detention or after a detainee has been
    released, the provision would likely survive preemption—at least absent some showing that it has other consequences that are adverse to
    federal law and its objectives. Without the benefit of a definitive interpretation from the state courts, it would be inappropriate to assume §2(B) will be construed in a way that conflicts with federal law.
    Cf. Fox v. Washington, 236 U. S. 273, 277. This opinion does not
    foreclose other preemption and constitutional challenges to the law
    as interpreted and applied after it goes into effect.
    Pp. 22–24.
    Court struck down the other 3 challenged parts of immigration law. Basically, Supreme Court is kicking the ball back to Arizona. If Arizona decides to go super racist with its enforcement, Supreme Court leaves the door open for further challenge.

    For now, the Arizona gets to implement the key piece of its immigration reform.
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    Not a fan of the current court, but this make sense. They struck down stuff like not having your ID on you being a crime, and kept the ability for LE to investigate whether people are illegal or not.

    It isnt that I agree with that last part for the entire country, but Arizona is dealing with some unique issues with cartel members and sicarios now operating in the SW.
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    A well reasoned decision IMHO.

    The immigration enforcement section needs to wait for an as-applied challenge before it's constitutionality can really be evaluated.

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    And of course Mexico now has a problem with the ruling. Someone explain to me how another country can possibly be critical of laws about immigration, let alone Mexico. They beat and rob you before they deport you.
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    Default Re: sneaky Supreme Court upholds (for now) key portion of Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf



    Court struck down the other 3 challenged parts of immigration law. Basically, Supreme Court is kicking the ball back to Arizona. If Arizona decides to go super racist with its enforcement, Supreme Court leaves the door open for further challenge.

    For now, the Arizona gets to implement the key piece of its immigration reform.
    Sneaky supreme court upholds part of law that leaves immigration the prerogative of the federal government and leaves arizona LEOs with only the ability to go "what about this guy?", but strikes down state power overreach.

    That part was never going to get struck down without abuse, and the DoJ basically forced the courts to put a hold on that until SCOTUS ruled.
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    Default Re: sneaky Supreme Court upholds (for now) key portion of Arizona immigration law

    Here's my take:

    Arizona shouldn't have any power to deal with international immigration, that's a federal thing. The Federal government ought to working to keep Mexicans out of the US without permission for trespassing. However given fast and furious they seem more concerned with killing Mexican citizens through their cartel proxies.

    Given the situation I'd rather the South doesn't try to secede again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    However given the situation I'd rather the South doesn't try to secede again...
    The 'south' as you put it wants the US National Guard on the Mexican Border too much to secede.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    The 'south' as you put it wants the US National Guard on the Mexican Border too much to secede.
    It's their national guard though.
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    Default Re: sneaky Supreme Court upholds (for now) key portion of Arizona immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    It's their national guard though.
    Yet when it comes up they always seem to be asking for federalized help.
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