Game of Thrones: TV Series - Season 8 (Book spoilers in tags with warning)

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

The armour of the Unsullied looked more like Halloween costumes than actual armour.

Anyway, does Denaris ever get her throne back now that she has both dragons and Mameluk Spartans? It would be cool if she and Ceasar made a marriage alliance and then fought the zombies off together.

[Stavroforos]

She dies of fever in Babylon.

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

I don't get the connection with Alex

[Stavroforos]

There is none

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

Soooo, there's actually a Babylon in Game of Thrones universe and Denaris dies there or are you preying on my ignorance to troll me gently Stav?

[Bobz]

I have a huge bone to pick with the producers and the writers of the series! Where the hell was belwas! How can you not include one of the most awesome characters in the series!

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Who will kill now a certain hero at a certain city now?

I like Belwas, he is quite fun, but really the guy is unimportant to the story.

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Killing the hero was his one contribution that wasn't talking about food or picking a fight, and if they are following the same storyline as the book - no guarantees of course - Barristan or Jorah could fill in.

Also are those the unsullied? The best soldiers the world knows? Really?

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Why did they leave the part about the puppy out of the series?

Well you read what we said about them, but as long as they fight well it shouldn't be too bad. They don't look that bad at least.

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The puppy? Well saying they have to kill babies should be enough, and conversely people would probably be more enraged by them killing their own puppies than slaughtering infants.

Only read this part if you have read all the books,

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I am really wondering how they are going to pull of some scenes, dany's lesbian scene, the red wedding and the build up to the wedding, the imp marrying Sansa and the whole aftermath. Also cannot wait to see Arya with the Hound that was my favourite part of her whole story line in the third book.

Similarly, don't read on...

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Same here, there are a lot of interesting scenes coming and not all of them can now be done as in the books. For the first, well it's not really a lesbian scene as such, more like Dany bored and frustrated while on the ship. It's not really essential to her story, but I suppose it can work somewhat to character building if it's more than just two girls suddenly deciding to have sex, and let's face it HBO aren't going to pass that up anyway. Missandei has been aged up - and is ridiculously hot for the record. What I'm interested in for the RW is just whether Talisa is going to play out like Jeyne or if they have a different purpose for her. And yes, Arya and the hound is the highlight of her story in all five books I reckon, it's a fascinating few chapters that I hope they do justice too.

[Stavroforos]

Soooo, there's actually a Babylon in Game of Thrones universe and Denaris dies there or are you preying on my ignorance to troll me gently Stav?

The latter.



Daenerys' story, like that of most characters, takes many twists and turns, and I can't tell you where it's going or whether it has already been concluded.

[karo]

I like Belwas, he is quite fun, but really the guy is unimportant to the story.

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Killing the hero was his one contribution that wasn't talking about food or picking a fight, and if they are following the same storyline as the book - no guarantees of course - Barristan or Jorah could fill in.

He is also important on an other front:

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He is the connection to an other story line that will be introduced in the 6th season. If he is not there how will they connect the two story lines. What the original plans were of a certain merchant and how he had to change them and use this other puppet he had laying around instead of Dany. But only for being so awesome they should have included him!
I don't think it would be the same if Jorah or Barristan would kill the hero. If I remember it correctly Belwas killed the hero with one blow after he let him get cut once. This was a total destruction of the cities hopes of victory. Neither Barristan nor Jorah are that good to pull that off.

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Well you read what we said about them, but as long as they fight well it shouldn't be too bad. They don't look that bad at least.

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The puppy? Well saying they have to kill babies should be enough, and conversely people would probably be more enraged by them killing their own puppies than slaughtering infants.

They are supposed to be the most ferocious fighting force the world knows,

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They even stopped a whole khalasar for 10 days and were still able to fight for another 10. Looking at those on screen doesn't give me the same expression. But I hope they get the fighting part correct. I think the puppy really showed that they were not human anymore, they were only a weapon. An extension of the will of their master and nothing more. To kill your best friend that has been there for years is something more cruel and inhuman than to kill a random baby you don't know and have no attachment towards it.

Similarly, don't read on...

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Same here, there are a lot of interesting scenes coming and not all of them can now be done as in the books. For the first, well it's not really a lesbian scene as such, more like Dany bored and frustrated while on the ship. It's not really essential to her story, but I suppose it can work somewhat to character building if it's more than just two girls suddenly deciding to have sex, and let's face it HBO aren't going to pass that up anyway. Missandei has been aged up - and is ridiculously hot for the record. What I'm interested in for the RW is just whether Talisa is going to play out like Jeyne or if they have a different purpose for her. And yes, Arya and the hound is the highlight of her story in all five books I reckon, it's a fascinating few chapters that I hope they do justice too.

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Talissa will die together with Robb or will be the one to betray him. The build up towards the red wedding is as important as the wedding itself. Hope they can pull that one of.
Dany's scene is important that they get it right because to me it is one of the first signs she has moved totally away from a Westros queen and has become an Eastern Despot. That scene is the point you know that the Lords of Westros will never accept her and her slave army as their liege.

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

Well then, I formally pledge my support to Daenerys, she has the most illustrious ancestry, the coolest entourage, dragons, Mameluk-Spartans, she is hot, clever, strong-willed and kind-hearted, and pretty much every other claimant is a pervert surrounded by psychopaths. But I like Ceasar as well, and I hope they become allies, unite all men against the zombies.

[maxi90]

Similarly, don't read on...

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Same here, there are a lot of interesting scenes coming and not all of them can now be done as in the books. For the first, well it's not really a lesbian scene as such, more like Dany bored and frustrated while on the ship. It's not really essential to her story, but I suppose it can work somewhat to character building if it's more than just two girls suddenly deciding to have sex, and let's face it HBO aren't going to pass that up anyway. Missandei has been aged up - and is ridiculously hot for the record. What I'm interested in for the RW is just whether Talisa is going to play out like Jeyne or if they have a different purpose for her. And yes, Arya and the hound is the highlight of her story in all five books I reckon, it's a fascinating few chapters that I hope they do justice too.

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I honestly do hope they pass on it. That and Cersei´s scene with whats-her-name really disgusted me for how shameless fanservice they were. Like, out of nowhere, "you are not gay and i am not gay, but you know what we should do? ****!"; "Now you are talking, sister!". Ugh... It genuenly insulted my inteligence as a straight male reader, plus it made me unconfortable that Martin would make a sex object out of a character that is at most 18 years old.

Also, yes, i said it long ago, the Unsuiled look like crap. I hope they can fix that in future seasons somehow. At the very least, i think their introduction was well done, getting across their backstory and the brutal conditions they live in day in and day out.

[Stavroforos]

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I honestly do hope they pass on it. That and Cersei´s scene with whats-her-name really disgusted me for how shameless fanservice they were. Like, out of nowhere, "you are not gay and i am not gay, but you know what we should do? ****!"; "Now you are talking, sister!". Ugh... It genuenly insulted my inteligence as a straight male reader, plus it made me unconfortable that Martin would make a sex object out of a character that is at most 18 years old.

Also, yes, i said it long ago, the Unsuiled look like crap. I hope they can fix that in future seasons somehow. At the very least, i think their introduction was well done, getting across their backstory and the brutal conditions they live in day in and day out.

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I had the same exact reaction, getting especially annoyed that it's basically a service to the fans rather than to the story itself. It's like when someone's fanfic becomes canon, and that's horrible.

[Påsan]

Something tells me that Asapor-place have a real problem with their birthrates. So every soldier they train basically cost the life of an inhabitant? Stupidest concept ever. Puppies>Babies.

Also

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Cercei have girl sex? I cannot remember this? I suppose she could do with some porn right now considering she's broke

[maxi90]

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I had the same exact reaction, getting especially annoyed that it's basically a service to the fans rather than to the story itself. It's like when someone's fanfic becomes canon, and that's horrible.

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Exactly, and that´s how we end up with three books of Fifty Shades of Grey.

I can forgive the tv show for it´s fanservice be cause, hey, they throwed 60 millions into this thing and they want some guaranty that SOMEONE is going to watch it, but i am sure a 1000 pages book can do much better things with my time than provide mildly disturbing fap material.

edit:[QUOTE] Something tells me that Asapor-place have a real problem with their birthrates. So every soldier they train basically cost the life of an inhabitant? Stupidest concept ever. Puppies>Babies.[QUOTE]

It´s not for all of their soldiers, only for the Unsuiled, and there are not that many of those. Besides, it´s not the children of their citizen that they kill, but the babies of slaves that are for sale and probably going to be sent off somewhere else. Also, it´s in the books.

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About your question, it´s near the end of book four

[Påsan]

Seems rather expensive and unnecessary to me, but again they are eastern despots so "reason" is probably not high in their list of considerations.

[torongill]

Something tells me that Asapor-place have a real problem with their birthrates. So every soldier they train basically cost the life of an inhabitant? Stupidest concept ever. Puppies>Babies.

Also

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Cercei have girl sex? I cannot remember this? I suppose she could do with some porn right now considering she's broke

babies die all the time. And yes, it is a bit ridiculous, because it seems that they start with four "recruits" for every Unsullied soldier. These must be very, very expensive slaves, since they have been provided for for 10-12 years. Even if there was no initial purchase, you're still looking at 10-12 years of training, adequate diet, clothing, broken equipment, etc.

[Bobz]

He is also important on an other front:

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He is the connection to an other story line that will be introduced in the 6th season. If he is not there how will they connect the two story lines. What the original plans were of a certain merchant and how he had to change them and use this other puppet he had laying around instead of Dany. But only for being so awesome they should have included him!
I don't think it would be the same if Jorah or Barristan would kill the hero. If I remember it correctly Belwas killed the hero with one blow after he let him get cut once. This was a total destruction of the cities hopes of victory. Neither Barristan nor Jorah are that good to pull that off.

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Forgive me for it's been a while since I've read the books, but I can't recall why Belwas himself is important to that story. Whatever the reason is, I'm sure they will just rework it. That storyline out east, especially once those blokes on a boat turn up, is going to get so complicated anyway it's not going to survive in it's book form. And the fight, well the more I think about it the more I think it's not going to be in. Once you take it out, there's just nothing to justify casting him - for this season at least.

They are supposed to be the most ferocious fighting force the world knows,

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They even stopped a whole khalasar for 10 days and were still able to fight for another 10. Looking at those on screen doesn't give me the same expression. But I hope they get the fighting part correct. I think the puppy really showed that they were not human anymore, they were only a weapon. An extension of the will of their master and nothing more. To kill your best friend that has been there for years is something more cruel and inhuman than to kill a random baby you don't know and have no attachment towards it.

I do agree it'll be down to seeing the Unsullied fighting. Perhaps there will be more time to delve into the Unsullied's training later.

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Talissa will die together with Robb or will be the one to betray him. The build up towards the red wedding is as important as the wedding itself. Hope they can pull that one of.
Dany's scene is important that they get it right because to me it is one of the first signs she has moved totally away from a Westros queen and has become an Eastern Despot. That scene is the point you know that the Lords of Westeros will never accept her and her slave army as their liege.

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Those theories on Talisa seem to be the prevailing ones out their. But I don't want to speculate too much, as you said the build up is as important as the Red Wedding itself, and I don't want to spoil it by working out how they are going to play it.

Which Dany scene are you talking about? I don't really believe she's ever acted as the other Eastern leaders do, hence why she has so much trouble trying to rule over the city. She does free slaves after all and try to change the entire culture of Slaver's Bay. I don't see how she becomes less of a ruler acceptable to Westeros, Dany's far better than most of them.

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I honestly do hope they pass on it. That and Cersei´s scene with whats-her-name really disgusted me for how shameless fanservice they were. Like, out of nowhere, "you are not gay and i am not gay, but you know what we should do? ****!"; "Now you are talking, sister!". Ugh... It genuenly insulted my inteligence as a straight male reader, plus it made me unconfortable that Martin would make a sex object out of a character that is at most 18 years old.

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You've got somewhat of a point there. Some people make such a deal over new sex scenes in the show, but the book still has more extraneous ones than the show will. Even Littlefinger and the prostitutes in season one had more of a purpose than Cersei and the Myrish lady does. I do think though Dany's scene could work if done right.

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Cercei have girl sex? I cannot remember this? I suppose she could do with some porn right now considering she's broke

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Two words; Myrish swamp. Sticks in your mind as much as "fat pink mast".

[Soviet]

Can we ease up on the spoilers?? This place is a cluster**** with all of them and it looks terrible with the new layout

Well then, I formally pledge my support to Daenerys, she has the most illustrious ancestry, the coolest entourage, dragons, Mameluk-Spartans, she is hot, clever, strong-willed and kind-hearted, and pretty much every other claimant is a pervert surrounded by psychopaths. But I like Ceasar as well, and I hope they become allies, unite all men against the zombies.

Prepare your anus then. You and her are going to be sitting on it for the next 3 books.

[Cyrus Da Great]

Stannis has, like most GoT characters (I'm addressing the TV series not the books), a mixture of both bad and good traits that can make you consider him positively sometimes (his claim to the throne on the basis of legal legitimacy, his bravery and somewhat inspiring recklessness in Blackwater) and quite badly at others (an excess of religious fanaticism that can very well point to a misunderstood form of pragmatism, his grim and gloomy character, lack of political realism and disregard for lots of his men's suffering).

All in all the series has made a good job at painting the guy like quite an enigma sometimes (if this happened due to a deliberate decision or simple accident is irrelevant) and just yet we can't neither root completely or oppose for good his "claim" or judge how good of a King he would be though to be sincere: Joffrey, Aerys and Robert have definitely not set the bar very high.

I actually liked Stannis the best before the religious nuttery ensued. A true line officer who lived through Westros' version of Siege of Leningrad and got the rough end of Robert's justice by being assigned to a grim shytehole of a fiefdom while the flamboyant gay brother with zero achievements to his name got all the meat and potatoes. Actor playing Stannis does a bang on job as well - very calm, smart and calculative look to him.deceit

[Påsan]

Renly is not quite as flamboyantly gay in the books. Also he looks like a young Robert, which means he should be built like an oak.

Its pretty clear to me that the actors portraying both Renly and Loras was hired to appeal to the effeminate gay and female fantasies than what a knight used to daily physical training should actually look like.

Loras especially looks like the most wimpy guy ever, which is odd because he is supposed to be one of the most dangerous knights on the continent.

[beckyolt]

It says in the book ​Loras is pretty thin, and Brienne says the same about Renly.