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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    how the could you give up on bran or theon? Theon's arc is literally one of the most unique in the entire story and the most human. You're missing out.

    And Bran's story is obviously going to be extremely important before the end, so if you skipped his chapters your not going to understand it.
    I quite liked Theon's storyline, but Bran was just horribly tedious from start to finish. Boring, boring booooring, just walking through snow and being booored. And that's coming from someone who enjoys the first chapters of LOTR the most, where Frodo, Sam and Pip just walk and walk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaedros View Post
    I quite liked Theon's storyline, but Bran was just horribly tedious from start to finish. Boring, boring booooring, just walking through snow and being booored. And that's coming from someone who enjoys the first chapters of LOTR the most, where Frodo, Sam and Pip just walk and walk
    I get that, but I trudged through it, though I admit I often spaced out, but I knew I needed to get through it because I feel like Bran will be the way George shows things that no POV character can. I felt like they were good speed bumbs, slowling the book down so that you didn't speed through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    I get that, but I trudged through it, though I admit I often spaced out, but I knew I needed to get through it because I feel like Bran will be the way George shows things that no POV character can. I felt like they were good speed bumbs, slowling the book down so that you didn't speed through it.
    Oh, I'd never have skipped them myself (what's the point of reading if you're gonna skip multiple chapters of a book? ), I just thought they (so far) have brought very little to the actual overarcing story and what they have done, has been slow and unecessary. GRRM might just as well have skipped all chapters but the last and just written "after weeks of walking through snow, Bran et Co came to the one eyed raven" and nothing would have changed.
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    Oh, I'd never have skipped them myself (what's the point of reading if you're gonna skip multiple chapters of a book? ), I just thought they (so far) have brought very little to the actual overarcing story and what they have done, has been slow and unecessary. GRRM might just as well have skipped all chapters but the last and just written "after weeks of walking through snow, Bran et Co came to the one eyed raven" and nothing would have changed.
    lol well he very well could of, but like all things its about the journey not the destination

    plus he would have had to explain the whole point of htem going north and the warging stuff in a very condensed manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    how the could you give up on bran or theon? Theon's arc is literally one of the most unique in the entire story and the most human. You're missing out.

    And Bran's story is obviously going to be extremely important before the end, so if you skipped his chapters your not going to understand it.

    Theon stopped being interesting when he failed at Winterfell. Then he became yet another unlikable character of little consequence who is tortured by another unlikable character and I really don't care. I just want them both to die so the story can move on.

    And after reading the Bran chapters I'm thinking ASoIaF would have been better if Jaime shot Bran in the head with a sniper rifle.
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    ^TBH:

    It is Martin's fault that things make very little sense in the first place. Jaime was annoyed with Ned or hated him, because Ned "judged" him? Eh, Jaime stood by idly while Ned's father was being cooked. But ok, let's say he was angry with that injustice by Ned, how can you go from that to just killing a child so that you can go on having sex with your sister? (assuming that like in the show in the books he also doesn't know who Bran is). And ok, even if that makes sense too for a relatively not paper-thin Jaime, how can he still be mad at Ned AFTER he knows he caused his son to be a cripple for life?

    Is Jaime braindead or something?

    But ok, a little later on he is trying to help Brienne, cause...eh... he is deep down not that bad a guy. Ok. Then he loses his hand and gets sentimental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    Theon stopped being interesting when he failed at Winterfell. Then he became yet another unlikable character of little consequence who is tortured by another unlikable character and I really don't care. I just want them both to die so the story can move on.
    thats exactly why theon is interesting. If he had died when Ramsay took winterfell back, that would have been a cliche story which most of us could expect from fantasy, having gotten exactly what he deserved. The fact that he's been tortured for two years and comes back into the story as a ghost of his former self, having to learn again who he was, getting a chance to redeem himself by freeing a person from his past, only to hopefully be finally put out of his misery- now that is storytelling. If theon had turned traitor, realized his mistake, then died right away, there wouldn't be anything to discern him from hundreds of other characters, most notably Darth Vader and the Nazi woman from the Last Crusade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    And after reading the Bran chapters I'm thinking ASoIaF would have been better if Jaime shot Bran in the head with a sniper rifle.
    Oh come on. It wasn't that bad. it was slow I grant you, but it wasn't eye ripping out horrible. Dany's chapters in ADWD I wish Daario would have done a Gone girl to dany as he's banging her.

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    you just described filler...

    I gave up reading during the third book though, and I was already skipping everything that featured the Stark wife/mother. When at a certain point you describe an army of slaves trained as Spartans, and a dragon queen obtaining said army, it's unforgivable to jump to boring Westeros again and it's boring schemes, at that point I want to read their "anabasis " and their conquest of Westeros. Also there where far too many characters I didn't even know who was who anymore.

    reading the filler you mentioned and having seen it on the show, I'm kind of glad I gave up on the books

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    you just described filler...

    I gave up reading during the third book though, and I was already skipping everything that featured the Stark wife/mother. When at a certain point you describe an army of slaves trained as Spartans, and a dragon queen obtaining said army, it's unforgivable to jump to boring Westeros again and it's boring schemes, at that point I want to read their "anabasis " and their conquest of Westeros. Also there where far too many characters I didn't even know who was who anymore.

    reading the filler you mentioned and having seen it on the show, I'm kind of glad I gave up on the books
    sorry to say but this story isn't only about dany or her army and if you wanted a standard fantasy fare its good you looked elsewhere for it. In fact I'd even stop watching the show because you'll probably end up far too confused. It makes me wonder though why you even read the first two books if you didn't care about the politics of westeros.

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    Its wierd about Daario. I hated him in the books, but I honestly liked the old Daario on the show. His duchebag factor was off the charts and I was looking forward to where they would take the character. The new one is just another dude who is less than interesting.

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    Its wierd about Daario. I hated him in the books, but I honestly liked the old Daario on the show. His duchebag factor was off the charts and I was looking forward to where they would take the character. The new one is just another dude who is less than interesting.
    My girlfriend hates the new actor for Daario because he looks like everyone else from Westeros. The first actor looked different and foreign.
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    The old Daario defiantly had a much better look to him, though i cant say i dislike the new one as other then looks he does fine in the part.

    I haven't got that far in the books but TV show wise Brans story is rather dull at points, Jon and the wall is the slowest after that though its starting to get interesting.
    Im glad they are starting to get to some interesting stuff in Essos too.

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    Well, yes, the old Daario looked far more distinctive, but also like a porn-star or a vegas magician?

    The new Daario indeed looks like many others there. Maybe it is mostly his temperament, though, which is too generic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedGuard View Post
    sorry to say but this story isn't only about dany or her army and if you wanted a standard fantasy fare its good you looked elsewhere for it. In fact I'd even stop watching the show because you'll probably end up far too confused. It makes me wonder though why you even read the first two books if you didn't care about the politics of westeros.
    I'm used to reading the anabasis and Caesar's de bello Gallico and de bello Civili, I tend to prefer my story to focus on the main issues and battle and tactics, and I know it isn't just about Dragon queen, but you just spent a long time hyping up what essentially are Helots trained as Spartans, and in Westeros you already have civil war, instead of reading about several meaningless plots and schemes, just get on with what matters: the wars of the civil war and the impending invasion by the desert slave Spartans now fighting under a dragon queen! I was looking forward to scenes from Alexander the Great's wars (I believe their spears where actually pikes in the books) I want to know how they will do against the heavily armed knights of Westeros.
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    You might be if you start picturing a 13 year old. When most of those scenes came up I don't even remember their ages. In fact until I'm reminded I never think of them as being that young. I get it for the marriage aspect, but with Jon and Robb and so on it seems less likely to me that a 16 year old would be a successful commander in a war or a the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.

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    You might be if you start picturing a 13 year old. When most of those scenes came up I don't even remember their ages. In fact until I'm reminded I never think of them as being that young. I get it for the marriage aspect, but with Jon and Robb and so on it seems less likely to me that a 16 year old would be a successful commander in a war or a the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
    Even Alexander was in his 20s when he prepared for the war against Persia

    Martin is just presenting all sorts of illogical stuff, and not due to this being a 'fantasy' setting; he just is not presenting credible storylines. (And, as noted many many many times, scale is hugely off as well).

    And in the series the supposedly super-soldier eunuchs appear to not be much better than the renegade murdering force in Mereen.

    Btw: It is a very stupid idea to have super-soldiers who are castrated. I mean it is ludicrous. Remember that domesticated bulls were always castrated (so now were termed oxen) exactly so that they could be controlled and be meek. It is pretty dumb to argue that a castrated person is going to be a super-soldier and super-disciplined.
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    The Unsullied are supposed to be controllable and meek - to their masters that is - in fact that's their whole point. I presume the biggest downside of the castration is the fact that they are less muscular than normal soldiers due to their lack of testosterone, but I guess they make up for this with their discipline.

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    Yeah the kids in ASoIaF are way, way too young. But I tend to imagine them being the show age when I read the books.

    And about the unsullied.
    I dont get how their light Hoplite style warfare is going to make a dent on westerosi knights, or stand against crossbows or dismounted men at arms or well.. anything. But then again maybe we'll never find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    Yeah the kids in ASoIaF are way, way too young. But I tend to imagine them being the show age when I read the books.

    And about the unsullied.
    I dont get how their light Hoplite style warfare is going to make a dent on westerosi knights, or stand against crossbows or dismounted men at arms or well.. anything. But then again maybe we'll never find out.
    Even the Khal-lead horde seemed far more imposing than the Unsullied, in the show as well

    The Unsullied look way too underwhelming, much like that old guy who now is Dany's bodyguard.
    Their armor looks stupid, and useless. They aren't really armored in any meaningful sense, so they just carry this useless weight as well.

    Another issue is that by now there is very little note of actual armies, with specific people doing the fighting hero-style. For me this is again very negative and makes the show even more unreal...

    Anyway, going by the trailer scenes, if i have to guess the Unsullied will be all killed or reduced to something not functional as even a token army, during some revolt in the pits (trailer scene), and then dragons will save the day etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Påsan View Post
    Yeah the kids in ASoIaF are way, way too young. But I tend to imagine them being the show age when I read the books.

    And about the unsullied.
    I dont get how their light Hoplite style warfare is going to make a dent on westerosi knights, or stand against crossbows or dismounted men at arms or well.. anything. But then again maybe we'll never find out.
    I don't think Dany could possibly make a serious move on Westeros without some Westerosi houses declaring for her. She doesn't seem to have any cavalry for one thing. Certainly if some houses did declare for her then they could provide heavy infantry while her Unsullied engage Westoros' light types. In that case it must be pretty useful to have them because I'd imagined they could quickly overwhelm militia and drafted peasant types with their greater experience and discipline.
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