Game of Thrones: TV Series - Season 8 (Book spoilers in tags with warning)

[Mithridate]

One really should keep in mind that proper tournament armor was completely different from what you would wear to war,
melee armors arguably as well tho mainly proper armors.

They where much better protecting, thicker but much harder to move in not to mention heavier.
A man wearing a rich lords jousting armor into battle would certainly be taken for a fool

[Noobio]

So....besides playing historical armour buffs ..Are there any news, on season 3 ?

[beckyolt]

I hope they explain things better this season,its impressive how many people think that White Walkers are zombies, or that Dany's tiny khalasar was plundering the whole of Qarth,not Xaros' house. Don't even get me started on the burning of Winterfell.

[EireEmerald]

I hope they explain things better this season,its impressive how many people think that White Walkers are zombies, or that Dany's tiny khalasar was plundering the whole of Qarth,not Xaros' house. Don't even get me started on the burning of Winterfell.

Yeah exacly, too many plt holes when there shouldn't have been.

[maxi90]

I hadn´t read the books jet at the time the series was airing, but i got it straigth that the White Walkers were some sort of supernatural beings that controled the zombies, and that Dany and her khalasar were robbing the house of Xaro. I don´t know how anyone could get it wrong.

Winterfel on the other hand.... well, that´s a hole different story

[ccllnply]

I hope they explain things better this season,its impressive how many people think that White Walkers are zombies, or that Dany's tiny khalasar was plundering the whole of Qarth,not Xaros' house. Don't even get me started on the burning of Winterfell.

I honestly think that they were only planning on making 2 series because they've set themselves up badly for the next while with explaining things. For instance: (actually spoilers, don't read if you don't want to know)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Well firstly, at the start of season 3, how are they going to explain how Samwell doesn't get killed. Him sitting against the rock, crying and the white walker just ignoring him was retarded enough. How are they going to explain how the hundreds of walking dead just leave him?

Also, how exactly is Xaro going to gift 13 ships to Dany and then inform her of Qarth's declaration of war when she rejects them, now that she's supposedly murdered him?

I also think leaving Ramsey Bolton out of the sack of Winterfell further proves that they weren't planning on going much further with the series and is going to cause problems for them.

[maxi90]

I recal hearing when the series started that they were planing on taking more liberties with the source material after season 3.

[Soviet]

After?

[Ciciro]

Is this show any good if you've already read the books?

[Bobz]

I recal hearing when the series started that they were planing on taking more liberties with the source material after season 3.

They were probably referring to the end of the third book, before they knew about splitting it into two seasons, as the structure of books four and five makes following them impossible. That's before you get into the parts of the story that are effectively dead ends.

Is this show any good if you've already read the books?

Yes, though I only read the books after the first season.

[Soviet]

Is this show any good if you've already read the books?

Compared to the quality of the other HBO shows, it's not that good. Pacing is horrible. And don't try to compare it to the books, or you'll bust a vein getting pissed off.

[beckyolt]

I honestly think that they were only planning on making 2 series because they've set themselves up badly for the next while with explaining things. For instance: (actually spoilers, don't read if you don't want to know)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Well firstly, at the start of season 3, how are they going to explain how Samwell doesn't get killed. Him sitting against the rock, crying and the white walker just ignoring him was retarded enough. How are they going to explain how the hundreds of walking dead just leave him?

Also, how exactly is Xaro going to gift 13 ships to Dany and then inform her of Qarth's declaration of war when she rejects them, now that she's supposedly murdered him?

I also think leaving Ramsey Bolton out of the sack of Winterfell further proves that they weren't planning on going much further with the series and is going to cause problems for them.

Xaros isn't that essential, they can make some Qartheen envoy send Dany their declaration of war.

I never understood all that huge outrage about Sam and the White Walker. They spared Will in the prologue in the first ep didn't they? Besides, he was just a fat dude hiding behind a rock while there were hundreds of Night's Watch men on the top of the hill.

Is this show any good if you've already read the books?

The books are far better than the show;I don't know, it's hard to say why Martin's books are so special . They just feel incredibly vibrant and detailed, more than the show. They go in depth about the dozens of minor houses, everything is far better explained, King's Landing actually feels like a huge city with lots of people... for example, take the part where Catelyn enters Renly's camp. You actually feel hopeless for Stannis and Robb and actually feel like Renly's army is friggin' huge, with all the powerful nobles you've heard of in the first book at his side. His army in the show just feels like a typical, average sized medieval army.

and TBH I think the show is better enjoyed AFTER you read the books. For example... ( any people who only watched the show reading this thread? ) I bet most show viewers already forgot who is Tysha ( one of the MOST essential events in the series that completely shaped Tyrion ), or who Sam's father is and why he was sent to the Night's Watch.

HBO'S GOT just isn't good at explaining things- and it's not because of a lack of time, since they waste lots of time with fillers like Ros . Hell, I think they never said the symbol of the Targaryens is a dragon, hence why Viserys or Dany call themselves "dragons". Another scene missing in the show that I found to be pretty important was the Davos / Salladhor Saan conversation where Salla tells Davos about the legend of Azor Ahai.

We never really understand why Melisandre is sided with Stannis in the show.

Winterfel on the other hand.... well, that´s a hole different story

Indeed. That totally ruined the ending. In the books, since you know everything that happened, who is Ramsay, etc, you feel sadness and hopelessness. In the show those feelings are entirely replaced by confusion, since you just don't kow what the just happened.


Second season was pretty disappointing after all. Only good eps were 1, 9 and 10.

Martin should write all the episodes.

[MathiasOfAthens]

I honestly think that they were only planning on making 2 series because they've set themselves up badly for the next while with explaining things. For instance: (actually spoilers, don't read if you don't want to know)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Well firstly, at the start of season 3, how are they going to explain how Samwell doesn't get killed. Him sitting against the rock, crying and the white walker just ignoring him was retarded enough. How are they going to explain how the hundreds of walking dead just leave him?

Also, how exactly is Xaro going to gift 13 ships to Dany and then inform her of Qarth's declaration of war when she rejects them, now that she's supposedly murdered him?

I also think leaving Ramsey Bolton out of the sack of Winterfell further proves that they weren't planning on going much further with the series and is going to cause problems for them.

Regarding Bolton they can always find a way to put his story back in. There isnt too many problems with that. However they will have problems with Xaro unless they just create a new character to fill that spot much further down the road.

Samwell a bit iffy, no idea why they ignore him.

But I honestly dont think the producers or writers planned on limiting this series with these moves, they are simply setting the Tv series apart from the book series, like the walking dead.

Did we ever know really why Melisandre sided with Stannis in the books, besides the whole prophesy she claims she saw in her fire? I thought in the book she sees a prophesy and assumes its Stannis. In the last book I think she starts to suspect its really Jon Snowe.

[Ulyaoth]

though i never read the walking dead comics(I sifted through a volume that went about up to a certain event with Shane) the show is awesome one way or the other, kinda better than just half following the source. That's GoT's problem, they're not really going their own way, they're just half assing following the source material changing things for no reason.

[DisgruntledGoat]

though i never read the walking dead comics(I sifted through a volume that went about up to a certain event with Shane) the show is awesome one way or the other, kinda better than just half following the source. That's GoT's problem, they're not really going their own way, they're just half assing following the source material changing things for no reason.

Its never for "no reason." It's been explained by the show runners and even their resident lore master Bryan Cogman that EVERY change is reviewed and has a reason. Be it a change because of the medium (tv vs. book), a change due to cost constraints, or just a creative change (doing it their own way).

http://winteriscoming.net/2012/10/br...nd-adaptation/

BC: With all due respect to the fans, there is never a single change on this show that’s “arbitrary”. Every change is debated and discussed at length and there’s always a good reason — be it creative, budgetary, etc. D&D [Benioff & Weiss] make decisions in the adaptation based on what’s best for the show. Of course, I’d love everyone to love every bit of the series, but you can’t please everyone all the time.

[Ulyaoth]

Just because they think it's a legitimate reason doesn't mean it is. Budgetary is their only real excuse for any changes and they've denied that being a reason for some haven't they? Since it seems like everyone who's seen the show but hasn't read the books is confused as to many things going on, they haven't done any good changes to help explain things any better either(thouhg I can't believe how many people were all "WTF is this Theon guy" they explained him in the first season and he was around plenty) And little things like having Cat wanting Ned to stay rather than being the one who pushed him to be Hand in the book, I can't see any possible reason for that. It was fairly important that she pushed him to be hand actually as it was another thing that filled her with regret and grief over realizing she basically got her husband and she believes her kids killed.

[Caesar Germanico]

Just because they think it's a legitimate reason doesn't mean it is. Budgetary is their only real excuse for any changes and they've denied that being a reason for some haven't they? Since it seems like everyone who's seen the show but hasn't read the books is confused as to many things going on, they haven't done any good changes to help explain things any better either(thouhg I can't believe how many people were all "WTF is this Theon guy" they explained him in the first season and he was around plenty) And little things like having Cat wanting Ned to stay rather than being the one who pushed him to be Hand in the book, I can't see any possible reason for that. It was fairly important that she pushed him to be hand actually as it was another thing that filled her with regret and grief over realizing she basically got her husband and she believes her kids killed.

I agree with this.Various traits to the characters changed for no reason, some are essentialy very different from the books and almost everyone in an inferior way.Your example of Cat is a great one, you may not like her in the books but she is much more interesting compared to the show character.Some changes I can understand (Joffrey being even more wicked, he is older in the show) but some are just (IMO) plain stupid and self damaging to the story; like the Loras reaction to Renly's death, in the book the impact of it is far better and it explains/make more sense of future events.

[Halbard]

The series also got one thing very, very wrong: Renly is not a wimp like he is portrayed in the books. He resembles a young Robert Baratheon, not a skinny little puff.

Anyways, one of my favorite characters in the book, The Blackfish will be played by Clive Russel in the 3rd Season

[Soviet]

Anyways, one of my favorite characters in the book, The Blackfish will be played by Clive Russel in the 3rd Season

Congrats

[beckyolt]

The series also got one thing very, very wrong: Renly is not a wimp like he is portrayed in the books. He resembles a young Robert Baratheon, not a skinny little puff.

Anyways, one of my favorite characters in the book, The Blackfish will be played by Clive Russel in the 3rd Season

Not really, Brienne says Renlyn was far thinnier than Robert.