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    I'm curious as to what the descendants of the clans from Shogun 2 have become.

    From what I've gathered, this is what happened to.....


    1. Shimazu

    http://www.shimadzu.com/

    Shimadzu Corporation (株式会社島津製作所 Kabushiki-gaisha Shimazu Seisakusho?) (TYO: 7701) is a manufacturer of precision instruments, measuring instruments and medical equipment, based in Kyoto, Japan.
    The company was established by Genzo Shimadzu (島津 源蔵 Shimazu Genzō?) in 1875. X-ray devices, the spectrum camera, the electron microscope, and the gas chromatograph were developed and commercialized in advance of other Japanese companies. In 2002, Koichi Tanaka, a longstanding employee, won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for developing a method of mass spectrometric analysis of biological macromolecules. The company also developed an ultra-high speed video camera, HyperVision HPV-1, which is capable of recording at 1,000,000 FPS.[1][2]
    Other products developed by Shimadzu include head-mounted displays.[3]
    Shimadzu is the world's only producer of a "Direct-Conversion" Flat Panel Detector for Cardiac, Angiography and General Radiography examinations.[4]






    However, I'm not sure if this is correct. The founder was Genzo Shimadzu, son of craftsman. He decided to use the circle-cross mon as the logo for Shimadzu. The last descendant of the Shimazu clan listed in wikipedia is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimazu_Tadashige.





    2. Takeda

    It's a common Japanese surname, so not everyone named Takeda came from THAT Takeda clan. SO, not sure if Takeda Pharmaceuticals was founded by someone from Takeda...buuuut...

    Several descendants of the Takeda took on other names, such as the Matsumae, Nanbu, Yanagisawa, Goto, Ogasawara, Tsuru...

    I haven't really been able to find Takeda descendants, although Ryu Umemoto, a video game music composer, said he's a direct descendant of Shingen.


    3. Oda


    The other is Nobunari Oda, a young champion figure skater.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobunari_Oda


    4. Tokugawa

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Tsunenari

    This guy was a part of a shipping company, said to be descended from the Matsudaira of the Aizu clan.


    5. Uesugi

    http://www.candc.or.jp/en/2010/25th.html

    It seems that the current direct descendant of Uesugi Kenshin is an astronomer who goes by Dr. Kuninori Uesugi.

    Edit: Kenshin adopted someone from Hojo, so technically Kuninori would be the descendant of the Hojo....
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    As for the Date Clan.

    They are alive and well.

    http://nippon-kichi.jp/article_list....200&ml_lang=en

    Look at that consistency. They managed to find names from the 1600s to now with names all ending with "-mune".

    Sixteenth century



    [edit] Seventeenth century



    [edit] Eighteenth century



    [edit] Nineteenth century and after Meiji restoration



    [edit] Twentieth century


    Wiki article for the latest "-mune", Yasumune.

    .

    Like a true Date Clan member.

    Hell even the Katakura clan is still alive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakura_clan

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    Damn, they're good at book-keeping alright.

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    Oda Eiichirou is not related to the Oda Nobunaga in any way, nor has he claimed to be either. The figure skater would be the one with the proper lineage claim.

    Shimazu's current family head is Shimazu Nobuhisa, chairman for a company managing several tourist attractions in Kagoshima.

    The main branch of the Takeda family was effectively destroyed during the reign of Shingen's son Katsuhide, a branch family by another one of Shingen's sons (Unno Nobuchika) survives to this day and the current family head (Takeda Hidenobu) works at the Kofu city office (can't get enough of that Kai apparently).

    Some relatively famous people with traceable lineages:

    Kikkawa Kouji - Kikkawa Motoharu (Mori Motonari's son)
    Nagano Tomoko - Nagano Narimasa (vassal of Uesugi Kenshin)
    Sanada Hiroki - Sanada Yukimura (vassal of Takeda Shingen)
    Amari Akira - Amari Torayasu (vassal of Takeda Shingen)
    Hosokawa Morihiro - Hosokawa clan
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    Thanks.

    Sanada Hiroki is a baseball player then. HA! I see....OYAKATA SAMA!!!! -pitch-

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    Dang. It got moved to the Historical Discussion.

    Nobody visits this place.

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    Do tell.

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    Wait, how does Uesugi Kenshin have direct descendants if he never had any children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by money View Post
    Wait, how does Uesugi Kenshin have direct descendants if he never had any children?

    He adopted someone from Hojo, so technically this Kuninori guy would be a descendant of the Hojo clan.

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    I do not know the end of the minor clans, but I can say that the major clans survived until today and in "good health" are five:

    - Date (perhaps the one that has survived better until today, much loved and still very influential on their territory)

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Genealogy and descendants:

    Fourteenth century


    Date Muneto (1324–1385)
    Date Masamune (14th century) (1353–1405)
    Date Ujimune (1371–1412)
    Date Mochimune (1393–1469)
    Fifteenth century
    Date Narimune (1435-1487?)
    Date Hisamune (1453–1514)
    Date Tanemune (1488–1565)
    Sixteenth century
    Date Harumune (1519–1577)
    Date Terumune (1544-1584 or 1585) - father of Masamune, murdered by Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu
    Date Masamune (1567–1636) - son of Date Terumune, great head of the Date family, established the family's power at Sendai.
    Date Masamichi (1578–1590) - His name is questionable as he probably had not gone through genpuku.
    Date Hidemune (1591–1658) - son of Date Masamune daimyo of Iyo domain in Shikoku
    Date Tadamune (1599–1658) - son of Date Masamune
    Date Shuyu (15??-1642)
    Date Munesane (?? - ??) - son of Date Masamune
    Date Munekatsu - son of Date Masamune - guardian of Tsunamura


    Seventeenth century


    Date Munetomo - son of Date Munekatsu
    Date Munetsuna (1603–1618)
    Date Munenobu (1603–1627)
    Date Munehiro (1612–1644)
    Date Munetoki (1615–1653)
    Date Torachiyomaru (1624–1630)
    Date Muneyoshi (1625–1678) - son of Date Tadamune - guardian of Tsunamura
    Date Mitsumune (1627–1645) - son of Date Tadamune
    Date Munetoshi (1634–1708)
    Date Munezumi (1636–1708)
    Date Sourin (1640–1670)
    Date Tsunamune (1640–1711) - son of Date Tadamune - daimyo for a short time, removed from the succession in favor of Tsunamura, his son
    Date Munefusa (1646–1686)
    Date Tsunamura (1659–1719) - son of Date Tsunamune - daimyo whose succession led to the Date Disturbance
    Date Munenori (1673–1694)
    Date Yoshimura (1680–1751)
    Date Muratoyo (1682–1737)
    Date Muraoki (1683–1767)
    Date Muranari (1686–1726)
    Date Murasen (1698–1744)
    Eighteenth century [edit]
    Date Murasumi (1717–1735)
    Date Muranobu (1720–1765)
    Date Murakata (1745–1790)
    Date Murayoshi (1778–1820)


    Nineteenth century and after Meiji restoration


    Date Yoshitaka (1812–1862)
    Date Muneki (1817–1882)[1]
    Date Munenari (1818–1892)
    Date Yoshikuni (1825–1874)
    Date Kunninei (1830–1874)
    Date Kuninao (1834–1891)
    Date Kuninari (1841–1904)
    Date Munemoto (1866–1917)
    Date Takeshiro (1868–1908)
    Date Kunimune (1870–1923)


    Twentieth century


    Date Okimune (1906–1947)
    Date Munehide (1908–1964)
    Date Munemi (1918–1982)
    Date Sadamune (1937–1981)
    Date Yasumune (1959-)

    [from wikipedia]




    - Shimazu (in fact it was one of the real "mind" behind the Meiji Restoration, and together with the valuable geographical position, this has allowed its members to stay "Lords" of Satsuma)

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    Genealogy and descendants:

    I. Shimazu Iehisa, 1st Lord of Satsuma (cr. 1601) (1576-1638; r. 1601-1638). He had issue, including:
    II. Mitsuhisa, 2nd Lord of Satsuma (1616-1695; r. 1638-1687). He had a son:
    Tsunahisa (1632-1673). He had a son:
    III. Tsunataka, 3rd Lord of Satsuma (1650-1704; r. 1687-1704). He had issue, including:
    IV. Yoshitaka, 4th Lord of Satsuma (1675-1747; r. 1704-1721). He had issue, including:
    V. Tsugutoyo, 5th Lord of Satsuma (1702-1760; r. 1721-1746). He had issue, including two sons:
    VI. Munenobu, 6th Lord of Satsuma (1728-1749; r. 1746-1749).
    VII. Shigetoshi, 7th Lord of Satsuma (1729-1755; r. 1749-1755). He had issue, including:
    VIII. Shigehide, 8th Lord of Satsuma (1745-1833; r. 1755-1787). He had issue, including:
    IX. Narinobu, 9th Lord of Satsuma (1774-1841; r. 1787-1809). He had issue, including:
    X. Narioki, 10th Lord of Satsuma (1791-1858; r. 1809-1851). He had issue, including two sons:
    XI. Nariakira, 11th Lord of Satsuma (1809-1858; r. 1851-1858).
    Hisamitsu, 1st head and Prince of the Shimazu-Tamari line (Shimazu-Tamari line cr. 1871; cr. 1st Prince 1884) (1817-1887). He had issue, including two sons:
    XII. Tadayoshi, 12th Lord of Satsuma, 1st Prince Shimazu (1840-1897; r. 1858-1869, Governor of Kagoshima 1869-1871, created 1st Prince 1884). He had issue, a son:
    XIII. Tadashige, 13th family head, 2nd Prince Shimazu (1886-1968; 13th family head 1897-1968, 2nd Prince Shimazu 1897-1947). He had issue, a son:
    XIV. Tadahide, 14th family head (1912-1996; 14th family head 1968-1996). He had issue, including:
    XV, Nobuhisa, 15th family head (1938-; 15th family head 1996- ). He has issue, including:
    Tadahiro (1972- ).
    Tadasumi, 2nd head and Prince of the Shimazu-Tamari line (1855-1915; 2nd head and Prince 1887-1915). He had issue, including:
    Tadatsugu, 3rd head and Prince of the Shimazu-Tamari line (1903-1990; 3rd head 1915-1990; 3rd Prince 1915-1947). He had issue, including:
    Tadahiro, 4th head of the Shimazu-Tamari line (1933- ; 4th head 1990 - ). He has issue, including:
    Tadami (1961 - ). He has issue, a son:
    Tadayoshi (1993 - )

    [from wikipedia]


    - Mori

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Genealogy and descendants:

    This list only includes the immediate ancestors of the Mōri branch and doesn't list previous leaders from the Ōeno family.
    Ōeno Hiromoto
    Ōeno Suemitsu (Mōri Suemitsu)
    Tsunemitsu
    Tokichika
    Chikahira
    Motoharu (Motochika)
    Hirofusa
    Mitsufusa
    Hiromoto (unknown~1464)
    Toyomoto
    Hiromoto (1466~1506)
    Okimoto
    Kōmatsumaru - Okimoto's only heir; died when he was nine
    Motonari
    Takamoto
    Terumoto
    Hidenari
    Tsunahiro
    Yoshinari
    Yoshihiro
    Yoshimoto
    Munehiro
    Shigetaka
    Haruchika
    Narifusa
    Narihiro
    Narimoto
    Naritō
    Takachika (Yoshichika)
    Motonori (Sadahiro)
    Motoakira
    Motomichi
    Motohiro
    Motohide (present; also called the 72nd head of the family if every ancestor is included)


    Motohide is currently married and he owns the Mōri residence in Yamaguchi. He is usually seen as a representative in traditional ceremonies and is reported to have met the current Shimazu head, Nobuhisa, in person.

    [from the "wikia" of the Koei]


    - Tokugawa

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Clan Heads:


    The following lists Ieyasu's descendants. It does not include any other branches.


    Ieyasu
    Hidetada
    Iemitsu
    Ietsuna
    Tsunayoshi
    Ienobu
    Ietsugu
    Yoshimune
    Ieshige
    Ieharu
    Ienari
    Ieyoshi
    Iesada
    Iemochi
    Yoshinobu; end of the Tokugawa Shogunate
    Iesato
    Iemasa
    Tsunenari (February 26, 1940~present)


    Other Figures


    Matsudaira Iemoto - Ieyasu's younger brother (possibly step brother), has an unclear history
    Naitō Nobunari - Ieyasu's younger half brother, said to have been adopted by Naitō Kiyonaga
    Matsudaira Tadamasa (Ōsuka Tadamasa) - Ieyasu's younger step brother, born as one of Sakakibara Yasumasa's sons
    Shōoku Esai - Ieyasu's younger step brother, Matsudaira Hirotada's third son
    Matsudaira Yasutomo - Ieyasu's younger half brother, Hisamatsu Toshikatsu's second son
    Matsudaira Yasutoshi - Ieyasu's younger half brother, Hisamatsu Toshikatsu's third son
    Hisamatsu Sadakatsu - Ieyasu's younger half brother, Hisamatsu Toshikatsu's fourth son
    Matsudaira Nobuyasu (Tokugawa Nobuyasu) - Ieyasu's eldest son, highly favored by Ieyasu but was forced to end his life at a young age on Nobunaga's orders
    Yūki Hideyasu - Ieyasu's second son, founder of the Echizen-Matsudaira branch, disliked by Ieyasu for reasons not entirely known
    Matsudaira Tadayoshi - Ieyasu's fourth son, adopted by Matsudaira Ietada, married Ii Naomasa's eldest daughter
    Takeda Nobuyoshi (Matsudaira Nobuyoshi) - Ieyasu's fifth son, adopted by Takeda Nobuharu in an effort to save the Takeda family
    Matsudaira Tadateru - Ieyasu's sixth son, said to have been Matsudaira Yasutada's adopted son
    Matsudaira Matsuchiyo - Ieyasu's seventh son, named the second successor of the Fukuya Domain but died when he was five
    Matsudaira Senchiyo - Ieyasu's eighth son, died when he was six
    Yoshinao - Ieyasu's nineth son, first member of the Tokugawa family to reign the Kōfu Domain
    Yorinobu - Ieyasu's tenth son, husband of Kiyomasa Katō's fifth daughter, Yōrinin
    Yorifusa - Ieyasu's eleventh son, had no official wife but had twenty-four children
    Chomaru - Hidetada's eldest son, died young
    Tadanaga - Hidetada's third son, said to be Matsudaira Chōshichirō's father
    Hoshina Masayuki - Hidetada's fourth son, adopted by Hoshina Masamitsu, first met his biological father when he was eighteen.

    [from the "wikia" of the Koei]


    - Uesugi (whose new members are adopted from other families)

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Genealogy and descendants:

    The following clan heads also list those present in the Yonezawa domain (Kagekatsu's descendants).


    Shigefusa
    Yorishige
    Norifusa
    Noriaki
    Norikata
    Norisada
    Norimoto
    Norizane
    Noritada
    Fusaaki
    Akisada
    Akizane
    Norifusa (1467~1525)
    Norihiro
    Norimasa
    Terutora (Kenshin)
    Kagetora / Kagekatsu
    Sadakatsu
    Tsunakatsu
    Tsunanori
    Yoshinori
    Munenori
    Munefusa
    Shigesada
    Harunori (Yōzen)
    Haruhiro
    Narisada
    Narinori
    Mochinori
    Noriaki
    Takenori
    Kuninori (April 18, 1943 ~ present)
    Kuninori is an astronautical engineer. In 1981, he was a professor at the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science and taught there for over twenty years. In 2003, he moved to the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency and helped jump start various laboratories. He formerly retired in 2006.

    [from the "wikia" of the Koei]


    After Meiji Restoration the system of han and daimyo was abolished, but the descendants of the most important clans received noble titles of "Duke" or "Count".

    ---

    The strange case of the Takeda clan

    The Takeda clan was scattered after the defeat of Nagashino, but many members of the clan have survived under different names.

    Looking for news on the fate of the Takeda clan, I found a particular connection regarding two martial arts schools.

    The first school is the way of the "Yoseikan Budo" founded by the kunoichi (kunoichi are female ninja) Mochizuki Chiyome. The members of the Mochizuki clan were ninja in the service of Takeda clan as Iga and Fuma respectively were ninja at the service of the Tokugawa and Hojo clans.
    The Mochizuki clan seems to have survived to the present day.

    The second interesting martial school - and that could reveal something more about the Takeda in the present day - is the Daitō-Ryū Aikijūjutsu.
    The history of this martial art seems to have a close connection with the lineage of the Takeda, so here goes the story (from wikipedia):

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    The origins of Daitō-ryū maintain a direct lineage extending approximately 900 years, originating with Shinra Saburō Minamoto no Yoshimitsu (新羅 三郎 源 義光, 1045–1127), who was a Minamoto clan samurai and member of the Seiwa Genji (the branch of the Minamoto family descended from the 56th imperial ruler of Japan, Emperor Seiwa).[2] Daitō-ryū takes its name from the mansion that Yoshimitsu lived in as a child, called "Daitō" (大東?), in Ōmi Province (modern day Shiga Prefecture).[3] According to legend, Yoshimitsu dissected the corpses of men killed in battle, studying their anatomy for the purpose of learning techniques for joint-locking and vital point striking (kyusho-jitsu).[4]

    Yoshimitsu had previously studied the empty-handed martial art of tegoi, an ancestor of the Japanese national sport of sumo, and added what he learned to the art. He eventually settled down in Kai Province (modern day Yamanashi Prefecture), and passed on what he learned within his family. Kage Yoshimitsu travelled to Europe in the mid-15th century and met William Vorilong, a western philosopher who befriended him and learned some eastern philosophy, unarmed combat, and melee weapon fighting under his guidance. Ultimately, Yoshimitsu's great-grandson Nobuyoshi adopted the surname "Takeda," which has been the name of the family to the present day. The Takeda family remained in Kai Province until the time of Takeda Shingen (武田 信玄, 1521–1573). Shingen opposed Tokugawa Ieyasu and Oda Nobunaga in their campaign to unify and control all of Japan.

    With the death of Shingen and his heir, Takeda Katsuyori (武田 勝頼, 1546–1582), the Takeda family relocated to the Aizu domain (an area comprising the western third of modern day Fukushima Prefecture)
    .[3]

    Though these events caused the Takeda family to lose some of its power and influence, it remained intertwined with the ruling class of Japan. More importantly, the move to Aizu and subsequent events profoundly shaped what would emerge as Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu in the 19th century. One important event was the adoption of Tokugawa Ieyasu's grandson, Komatsumaru (1611–1673), by Takeda Kenshoin (fourth daughter of Takeda Shingen). Komatsumaru devoted himself to the study of the Takeda family's martial arts, and was subsequently adopted by Hoshina Masamitsu. Komatsumaru changed his name to Hoshina Masayuki (保科 正之), and in 1644 was appointed the governor of Aizu. As governor, he mandated that all subsequent rulers of Aizu study the arts of Ono-ha Ittō-ryū (which he himself had mastered), as well as the art of oshikiuchi, a martial art which he developed for shogunal counselors and retainers, tailored to conditions within the palace. These arts became incorporated into and comingled with the Takeda family martial arts.[3]
    According to the traditions of Daitō-ryū, it was these arts which Takeda Sokaku began teaching to non-members of the family in the late 19th century. Takeda had also studied swordsmanship and spearmanship with his father, Takeda Sokichi, as well as Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū as an uchi-deshi (live-in student) under the renowned swordsman Sakakibara Kenkichi.[5] During his life, Sokaku traveled extensively to attain his goal of preserving his family's traditions by spreading Daitō-ryū throughout Japan.[4]
    Takeda Sokaku's third son, Tokimune Takeda (武田 時宗 Takeda Tokimune, 1916–1993), became the headmaster of the art following Sokaku's death in 1943. Tokimune taught what he called "Daitō-ryū Aikibudō" (大東流合気武道?), an art that included the sword techniques of the Ono-ha Ittō-ryū along with the traditional techniques of Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu. It was also under Tokimune's headmastership that modern dan rankings were first created and awarded to the students of Daitō-ryū. Tokimune Takeda died in 1993 leaving no official successor, but a few of his high-ranking students, such as Katsuyuki Kondo (近藤 勝之 Kondō Katsuyuki, 1945–) and Shigemitsu Kato, now head their own Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu organizations.


    And this is a biography of Takeda Sokaku:
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    Born in the Aizu domain (Fukushima Prefecture),[2] Sōkaku grew up in a time of war (Boshin) and civil strife and was able to witness both first hand while still a young boy. The second son of Takeda Sōkichi, a samurai of the Takeda clan who worked his farm and taught at a local school and Tomi Kurokochi, a daughter of Dengoro Kurokochi,[3] a Yari and Kenjutsu master. It is believed that Sōkaku received his first martial arts training from his father who had a dojo on their property.[4] Sōkichi was apparently expert in the use of both sword and spear, and had once been a sumo wrestler of ozeki rank. It is believed that Sōkaku was exposed to the teachings of Hōzōin-ryū Takada-ha and Ono-ha Ittō-ryū, schools of spear and swordsmanship respectively.[5]
    Sōkaku then left to go on a period of austere training where he travelled, fought and trained at the schools of many teachers, a not uncommon practise of the time. Reputedly, Sōkaku spent some time as a live-in student of Kenkichi Sakakibara, headmaster of the Jikishinkage-ryū and considered to be one of the most famous and skilled swordsmen of the era.[6] [7] Unfortunately there exist no known historical documents to confirm this relationship and so it is a matter of debate. What is known, however, is that Sōkaku engaged in many matches and duels with both shinai and live blades and was considered a swordsman of great skill in a period of time when such things were beginning to be forgotten.[8]
    With the outlawing of the samurai class and the prohibition against carrying swords (Haitōrei Edict) apparentally Sokaku decided to emphasize the empty handed, jujutsu oriented, techniques of his ancestor's art.[9] These apparently were 'oshiki-uchi', or secret teachings of the Aizu clan, up to that point. These, along with other skills he had acquired, were combined to create an art which he christened first 'Daitō-ryū jūjutsu' and later 'Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu'.[10]
    In about 1875, rumor reached Sōkaku that Saigō Takamori had launched his rebellion in Satsuma against the forces of the new Meiji government. He decided immediately that he would go to lend his support. He made it as far as Kyushu but was unable to reach his destination, so he returned to Osaka where he spent the next ten years as a guest in the Kyōshin Meichi-ryū dojo of swordsman Momonoi Shunzo.
    Sōkaku lived a somewhat itinerant life, travelling the length and breadth of the country giving seminars in martial arts to military officers, police officers and martial arts enthusiasts, often of high social standing. He left extensive records of those he taught in the 'eimeiroku' and the 'shareikoku' which were attendance and fee ledgers of those who attended and paid for lessons from him.






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    AFAIK, the Sokaku branch of the Takeda has died out. I can't find any mention of Takeda Tokimune (Sokaku's son)'s children anywhere. I'm an aikidoka, and aikido is descended from Daito Ryu, so I should know these things.

    As for the Shima(d)zu Corporation, it looks like their founder had the surname Shimazu, using the same kanji as the clan. I have no idea whether he is a true Shimazu or not.

    Tokugawa's descendant wrote a book in 2009 praising the Edo period, apparently.
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    Praising the Edo period? Figures, all the Akechis praise Akechi Mitsuhide as well, I think they were the ones that started painting Akechi Mitsuhide in better light starting in the 1700s and gradually this grew until today and there have been many attempts to demonize Oda Nobunaga recently. Nobunaga's position is pretty secure seeing as he is widely considered the creator of modern Japan and he was made an Imperial Prince by the Emperor after his death.

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    All too true. Are the Akechi clan still around?

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    Many survived and became minor samurai. Not sure where they are now but I remember reading somewhere that the first portrayal of Akechi Mitsuhide as a hero of the people came from the Akechi family themselves during the very late Edo period and into the Meiji Era. Ironically Mitsuhide was killed by angry farmers that wanted to avenge Nobunaga and even all of the evidence of the time suggests that Mitsuhide's goal was to replace Nobunaga with all of the other stuff about enduring insults being added to the story centuries later.
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    The Takeda clan is extant!

    http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=703

    Apparently there are about two or three Takedas related to Takeda Sokaku (and therefore descended from the Sengoku Takeda in some way or another) who contest the passing of the Daito Ryu soke title to Katsuyuki Kondo, who is obviously not a Takeda. As far as I can tell, the youngest of them is 25 and a Daito Ryu practitioner, so there's no need to worry about the Takedas dying out just yet.

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    Fascinating, really.

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    Crazy...

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    I'm fairly certain that I am a direct descendant of Oda Nobunaga. I just happened to come accross this forum searching google about my family. I've never been to Japan, I was born in Canada and so was my dad and grandfather. We have a family book that's been copied and passed down which I recently looked through. It dates back our family tree to the early 1500s and Oda Nobunaga is amongst them (though he has by far the most info written down compared to anyone else there). Other than the book though I have no other reason to believe this, however the book is a pretty important in our family and supposedly has been for some time so I'd be surprised if there was any misinformation in it. I might also mention that every male in my family is given a ring with the Oda crest on it (girls are given a pendant), though I'm not sure if this adds any weight to being directly related to Nobunaga himself. The book is the main thing. Until I actually get a chance to visit Japan I don't think I'll have any way of verifying this as my grandfather has passed on and my dad could care less. I can't seem to find any way to verify this in Canada.

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    @ M.Oda really fascinating i wonder thru which son you are descended?

    @ Homosubi when i was a kid i had a friend whos step dad was an aikidoka...well just happens to be a local as well as we were both born in hawaii...more digging.. my friends father was apparently one of the first whites to attain mastery yes he stopped getting black belts from aikido hq back in the early 60's when Tohei left and branched off. Was Tohei's uke for many years as well as having the privilage of being first gaijin to be shown striking down / overpowering asian on cover of black belt mag...this does not happen. This all fostered intense love for japanese history... wish they taught an aikijutsu or some type of aikibudo pre-war in america.

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