If we meet them face to face, we can physically grab them and torture them until they release the information. I hope they will accept my pet goat in the flight. I plan to brought some salt with me to spread on CA team members's barefeet, and have the goat lick it until they confess.
It would be harder to do via Skype.
Oups, I shouldn't have said that aloud, now they'll think twice before inviting me.
Last edited by Pesticide; June 07, 2012 at 06:59 AM.
I think this might be a trap, an elaborate hoax to get rid of dissent haha
1. Invite all disgruntled modders
2. Lure them into the deepest cracks of Activision HQ
3. Kill every dissenting modder
4. ???
5. PROFIT!
ill be blunt and say my gut feeling is its just another a PR stunt, and i want modders to think about this before attending as it might be just that they will simply waste a lot of your and their money and time flying there, fancy venue, food/drinks telling you the same answers to pretty much everything you already asked them in the past for anyway which is no we cant do it, with a fancy reasoning not to be shared with the public as you will have to sign a NDA.
They will probably also make a video from it and then use that video to promote their undying, always getting better, best mod support ever, brainstormed by the modders themselves, for their next game they will announce soonish.
Just think about it for a second, why would sega trow ANY money at this at all if it doesnt have a pr/sales benefit. Any higher up manager who would have to approve this would have had 2 things on his mind, expenses and benefits. If its not a PR/sales benefit , there should be no expenses, hence he would have suggested conference calls himself.
Unless CA is willing to cover some airfare/hotel of these awesome people who have volunteered to spend so much time into these games over the past few years thats my gut feeling based on what happened in the past. I have some understanding of how the industry works, i do not doubt some CA employees their sincerity but lets not be fooled by pretending we do not know what the bottem line is for some top execs.
Last edited by Pesticide; June 07, 2012 at 07:18 AM.
On a long enough timeline we will see, and hopefully this is not the bottom line. I am aware that this is a company we're all talking about here, and there are many good reasons to have doubts, but I for one don't believe in shooting down ideas before they've even gotten off the ground.
Please try and explain to CA why its a good thing to allow mods of the same quality and total overhaul as Stainless Steel, Third Age, Warhammer, Invasio Barborum on their newer Engines like Shogun and Empire.
Please try and explain to them, their current course of arcade, shallow, eye candy engines lack the replayability of Medieval 2 Total Wars Engine, which, compared to Empires, Napoleon and Shogun, is looking more and more like the 'Golden Age' of Creative Assembly, and somthing we all fear, we may never see again.
Hi all,
Just a quick note to say thanks for all of the emails I've had so far. I'm out of the office until Monday so I'll reply to them when I'm back in, but it's great to see so much passion about this kind of event.
We've been talking about having a line of conversation with modders for quite some time, and it takes time for things to come to fruition, but there's no shady motivation behind it - just a desire to have the conversations.
Just to be clear on expectations: this is an opportunity for us to explain to you why things are how they are and get some key modders a glimpse into how we do things, and why we do them the way we do. That information will be useful, no doubt.
Anyway, I'll flesh out some of the details in the next couple of weeks once we've sorted logistics etc. I should have more answers for you then.
Craig
Last edited by CraigTW; June 07, 2012 at 07:27 AM.
you have their email addresses now, email is a great tool for conversations .
Let me state that i love the idea of modders having a chance to visit CA, and have better conversations, i just think the approach is slow and costly and will not be what the community expects nor some modders expect. Thank you for clarifying on the expectations, that makes it a lot more clear.
Every time i play coop with friends we have very excited conversations with thoughts like wouldn't it be cool if this would have happened or that random event would have occurred. But in the back of our minds we full well know it will never happen for the warscape engine games. A modder in the past would have picked up these ideas and actually tried them to implement them in m2tw (stainless steel events for example) . These days so many ideas are out there but nobody can implement them. Its all in the small details for those who play these games years after release, details modders excel at! Modders who deserve the best! And this summit idea is cool, but not the best you can do in my opinion.
Pesticide... just.. don't. Like your name, you are killing this thread with that. This is not about if skipe allows a 90 or 12 years old to torture game developers with a goat. It's about CA reaching a hand to modders on how things are done, why they are done like that and hopefully for them to receive some feed back in how to improve things for future games.
Besides, it's already been said that it would be either personal or online, because out of logic not all the players/modders live in or near London...
There, fixed for you Boustrophedon.1. Invite all disgruntled modders
2. Lure them into the deepest cracks of SEGA super secret evil lair in an island with a volcano.
3. Kill every dissenting modder
4. ???
5. PROFIT!
PROUD TO BE A PESANT. And for the dimwitted, I know how to spell peasant. <== This blue things are links, you click them and magical things (like not ending up like a fool) happens.
Visit my utterly wall of doom here.
Do you wanna play SS 6.4 and take your time while at it? Play with my 12 turns per year here.
Y también quieres jugar Stainless Steel 100% en español? Mira por aca.
my name stands for preventing, destroying, repelling or mitigating any pest, allowing crops, fruits, vegetables, flowers to grow and flourish. Any by god i want them mods to flourish for the warscape engine. (didnt preorder the most moddable game of all time for no reason goddammit )
And i had nothing to do with them goats Lets not get personal here please...
Last edited by Pesticide; June 07, 2012 at 08:12 AM.
I'd like to stress something. If you plan to limit the summit to this, it may be a failure. You had probably very good reason to have done things like you did in your opinion, but since your choices hinder our modding capability of make them quite painful sometimes, they are, in our opinion, wrong choices by definition.
What I mean is that knowing why you did some things is not of paramount interest for us. But how you create campaign map for instance (so we understand your work process and have more information to design a way to make our own) is more interesting, how we can work around limitation or solve some issues which are hard to overcome without info from you, how we can avoid such situation in the future.
When where's a problem, the why is only 10% of the solution, the how is much more important
Last edited by alhoon; June 07, 2012 at 08:20 AM.
alhoon is not a member of the infamous Hoons: a (fictional) nazi-sympathizer KKK clan. Of course, no Hoon would openly admit affiliation to the uninitiated.
"Angry Uncle Gordon" describes me well.
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I was trying to be funny. I failed. I didn't meant to be pejorative or insulting, my apologies if I was.
Ok, still, let's try to keep the thread on topic. I mean, it's not wise to berate why they don't use skipe or give us an all paid vacations for a week in London. About streaming the thing online I guess they know how to do it. In any case we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
PROUD TO BE A PESANT. And for the dimwitted, I know how to spell peasant. <== This blue things are links, you click them and magical things (like not ending up like a fool) happens.
Visit my utterly wall of doom here.
Do you wanna play SS 6.4 and take your time while at it? Play with my 12 turns per year here.
Y también quieres jugar Stainless Steel 100% en español? Mira por aca.
Pesticide is probably completely wrong, but I myself also had these concerns. I know just how people can be bought into a cosy place then get talked around despite themselves. It does seem mighty magnanimous for CA to make such a move.
But don`t get me wrong, if this is completely honest by CA then I give them a big thumbs up since they appear to be going out of their way to meet the actual people who make Mods, even though, it`s only to explain to them why more can`t be done. It`s highly unusual and I don`t think I`ve ever seen this with any other Devs in my time.
Maybe that`s why part of me is slightly on yellow alert.
p.s. Oh and if SEGA are behind this, I`m definitely on yellow alert.
Last edited by Humble Warrior; June 07, 2012 at 09:02 AM.
Hope this works and you show modders how the map works, and how to add new animations etc, as quite frankly all everyone wants to do is to have large scale modifications for the latest games.
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I hope King Kong takes time to do this...
He responded me by PM, I think he'll assist be in person or online.
PROUD TO BE A PESANT. And for the dimwitted, I know how to spell peasant. <== This blue things are links, you click them and magical things (like not ending up like a fool) happens.
Visit my utterly wall of doom here.
Do you wanna play SS 6.4 and take your time while at it? Play with my 12 turns per year here.
Y también quieres jugar Stainless Steel 100% en español? Mira por aca.
I will contribute to Darthvaders airfare but on one condition. He emails me a picture of him attending the said summit wearing a Darthvader outfit...(yes I do realise this might become unconformtable but it will keep safe his anonymity and also put the fear of the dark side into CA...plus if Mike Simspon a.k.a the emperor is there he will need to use a lot of the force).