free upkeep units

[CannabisMaximus]

a few units dont have upkeep, I am playing a VH/VH Japan game and finding it difficult, the Khmer are spamming hoards in southern China, I came to their aid but i found that their units are very cheap, the elephants. expensive to build but free to maintain?? I can easily fix this, but is such a fix savegame compatable?

[Vipman]

well why don't you backup and try to do a small change to see if it works?

i took someone's idea around here to recreate the mongol empire, just installed the mod yesterday.
the mongols have some units with 0 upkeep too, the light mongol HA at the start are at least.

but like in some other "bugged" mods, when checking through the building scrolls and other scrolls i get the graphics bug CTD again
i hope i'll be able to play if i don't touch the scrolls too much.

[Gabrius]

As a side note about free upkeep, I noticed that when I garrison units in forts they do not have free upkeep. Was this intentional?

[falcom4ever]

a few units dont have upkeep, I am playing a VH/VH Japan game and finding it difficult, the Khmer are spamming hoards in southern China, I came to their aid but i found that their units are very cheap, the elephants. expensive to build but free to maintain?? I can easily fix this, but is such a fix savegame compatable?

Units created in cities have free upkeep if they stay in their home city. As khmers can recruit elephants in city they can have free upkeep.

As a side note about free upkeep, I noticed that when I garrison units in forts they do not have free upkeep. Was this intentional?

2 units have free upkeep

[Gabrius]

2 units have free upkeep

Ah ok, perhaps I am mistaken, but when I have the fort selected they do not show up with the usual blue border to indicate that their upkeep is zero.

[Vipman]

IIRC when holding the mouse pointer over the unit it should say in that little box "Free upkeep while garrisoned/in fort" or something like that

[CannabisMaximus]

Id you look at the unit file all the mongol ubits and elephant units and those based off these units have free upkeep inside and outside the cities... I saw an army with my spy od khmer and the elephants had Zero upkeep just a field unit... Their generala are also free... I fixed iit by adding some aimple upkeep to the units i found with none ...

[Gabrius]

The Mongols have horse archers with no upkeep, but it seems to make sense strangely as I suppose they can live off the land since they are a nomadic people. The regular troops have upkeep though. This hasn't really given me an advantage in battles oddly enough.

[Cello]

The Mongols have horse archers with no upkeep, but it seems to make sense strangely as I suppose they can live off the land since they are a nomadic people. The regular troops have upkeep though. This hasn't really given me an advantage in battles oddly enough.

Well exactly i thought so 2.Otherwise mongols would be hard to play anyway 0 upkeep is fine for them imo but no upkeep elephants are really painfull and as i checked u can have plenty of them with khimers in short time not to mention they have also elephant unit generals

[Kunzzi]

There are few units without unkeep cost. I don't know if it was intentional but for example: Pechin infantry from Ryukyu faction. It's not an instant win but if somehow you manage to dominate East China Sea over Japan and conquer few castles on mainland then you can spam entire armies that 4-6k gold and 0 unkeep.

[Kunzzi]

I ate "cost" in last sentence, can't find "Edit" button so just pointing that out.

[falcom4ever]

Upkeep are changed in the 1.4 version

[Gabrius]

How are they changed exactly?

[CannabisMaximus]

Good... Basically it seemed all units based off timurd and mongol vanilla units have free upkeep... This includes all elephants and most eastern bow/meele hybrid units... Was an easy fix but took some time to do... Thx for fixing it in 1.4

[Vipman]

How are they changed exactly?

exactly you'll see for yourself in the new version

but very probably there are no more 0 upkeep units and elephants probably have a very high upkeep now

[falcom4ever]

eactly would be difficults, but basically :
- Horse archers and archers have free upkeep for mongols and jurchen. Both start with only villages and this kind of weak unit. This makes them more agressive and especially Mongols. The other units have normal upkeep.
- Chinese units have upkeep slightly cheaper than european and japanese. This is to simulate chinese better logistic and to give them a change against mongols and khmers.
- I have lowered Japanese units upkeep because it was too high compared to other asian nations. But Japan still have the most expensive upkeep in Asia.
- Elephants have high upkeep, only khmer bodyguards have 0 upkeep like other bodyguards units.
- More freep upkeep when in the city for Ryukyu, but all units have now upkeep which was not the case before.
- Zimbabwe have much more lower upkeep than before. They are now more agressive on campaign map even they still have weak units compared to Mali.

I noticed that upkeep as a lot of impact on AI on campaign map. Tweaking this numbers I was able to make some factions more agressive, and the game more balanced.

[Vipman]

I noticed that upkeep as a lot of impact on AI on campaign map. Tweaking this numbers I was able to make some factions more agressive, and the game more balanced.

Nice
And I agree about the few poor units with 0 upkeep of mongols, it helps at the start, it's not a huge advantage either (making full stacks of them aren't very effective against good units), and as someone else said it probably represents the fact they fought to pillage and survive, not for being paid, or something like that.

[Gabrius]

Horse archers and archers have free upkeep for mongols and jurchen

I'm really glad you kept this! It makes sense that Mongols can sort of live off the land since they are nomads, riding from place to place wreaking havoc and so forth. And I agree, it really isn't that much of an advantage since Mongol units are of a relatively low quality.

[flaviusbrutus]

Have you lowered unit upkeep for Mayan/Aztec/Inca? troops the Apache are able to spam-ahoy tons of dog soldiers and Apache braves while I cant build buildings nor can I retrain half the time so its becoming an endless attrition war much like world war one except the weapon that is killing everyone is an obsidian club. I think if I had subjugated the Aztecs, I would have plenty of manpower to my disposal rather than struggling to keep two flags going. Also kind of off topic but can you have it so religious unrest for pagans is taken away as long as there at war or is that too much scripting? Great mod though loving it but getting rather exhausted by the endless flags the Apache keep sending I'm not even joking this is world war one. I shall have remembrance day for the turns that go by so many brave Mayan troops have died on the small piece of land between central america and North America.