Why is CA putting so much **** in to Shogun

[Æthelstan]

You know, when Rome came out I remember so many people talking about how it was so much worse than the original MTW. Maybe we just have a bias for the game we first entered the series on. I understand CA not doing much with ETW now that its been 2ish games since then, but I wish they had added more of the features and polish seen in Napoleon when it came out.

As for the next game? Well I think after to fairly small-scale yet polished games, that CA is ready to do something more expansive and diverse. I think RTWII would fit well for this.

Haha I think we are all nostalgic at heart when it comes to TW games Empire's map crossed with Napoleon's graphics, gameplay and soundtrack would be.....indescribably good. I agree about RTW2 aswell; there are so many interesting features they could add in, coupled with the great fighting animations (now that is something I love about Shogun 2). A RTW2 or a Victoria TW would do me fine!

[CptAustus]

Shogun 2 is obviously the best looking but the lack of scope and variety holds it back but I've still logged over a hundred hours on it, I use Radious's mods and they make it stupidly fun.

You say it as if Empire offered any unit variety.

[Mullen18]

I mean it does with DMUC, AUM and a variety of small unit mods.
Obviously with vanilla it's extremely limited

[CptAustus]

I mean it does with DMUC, AUM and a variety of small unit mods.
Obviously with vanilla it's extremely limited

Yeah. +/- 5 accuracy, +/- 5 reload makes a huge variety.

[Mullen18]

There's genuine variety in the late game...
Fusiliers, Marines, Guards, Breech-loaders, Engineers, Shot-gunners, Sharpshooters.... so much so you don't really use normal line infantry, I enjoy unique detailed units.
Accuracy, Reload skill, Morale, Melee attack......all logically given or taken to certain units.

[Sir Furlong]

Also I don't know what they could do besides tweaking stats, in the end that's all that all the units come down to, different stats and some different skins.

[ninjaskill]

Because it gets profit and that in business is what matters

[gyabo]

Because Shogun 2 i s relatively the most easiest game ever made by CA only the Realm Divide is the pain in the ass and the taking of Osaka castle.

Seriously bought first the Shogun2 in my surprising taking over a province is so damn easy killing some bunch of samurai dudes that doesn't have range attack and slaughtering them with a lot of arrows.

Gotta agreed ETW is a wonderful except left unpolished by CA seriously Rakes doesn't have dark humor cinematic video compared to a fictional ninja and no royal family.

[CptAustus]

Because Shogun 2 i s relatively the most easiest game ever made by CA only the Realm Divide is the pain in the ass and the taking of Osaka castle.

Seriously bought first the Shogun2 in my surprising taking over a province is so damn easy killing some bunch of samurai dudes that doesn't have range attack and slaughtering them with a lot of arrows.

You obviously havent played enough.

And all of the TWs I have played (from rome to fots) are fairly easy. Set up in a convenient position, be the defender, watch as the AI fails, repeat. Shogun 2 on Hard or Very Hard is probably the hardest, just because you are gonna barely afford a low quality army while the AI has two high quality, one attacking, one garrisoning, not to mention BAI bonuses.

[Castel]

Lot of people love the sengoku period, lot of people don't give a freaking damn about the 18th century. (if they even know any event who happened during that century beside the French and American revolutions)

Samurai and stuff about Japan are popular nowadays, that's a simple reality.

And you know it : popular = money. Plus, that's the sequel of their very first game. Must be important to them.

[MKeogh]

Empire was a total beta and Shogun 2 was the end result of the Empire--> napoleon --> shogun 2 game line. Its just really too bad that Empire ended the way it did. I think there was so much potential to Empire. I sincerely hope they make a Empire 2 down the line and add in all the features they considered the first time around. The period is perfect for war, even fun in peace considering all the exploration and political intrigue.

This.

ETW was an overambitious failure. Although massive patchwork eventually made it playable, its initial release was a disaster: the game was released with a practically non-functioning CAI. Even people at CA later admitted they were "embarrassed" by ETW's release status. Still, after all its patches, the game's AI still struggles mightily to handle many of its concepts: trade nodes and especially theater movement. Plus, its half-baked diplomatic engine is filled with exploits (EX: give an AI country indefinite access to your lands and it will never be able to go to war with you).

ETW's grandiose scale was simply too much for CA's AI to handle and it shows. So, they scaled back their scope for both NTW and S2TW. Plus, NTW and S2TW heavily benefited from the mistakes CA learned from ETW. (Notice the disappearance of the "hostile fleet entering a port" feature from S2TW which was something that ETW's AI could not handle.)

Personally, I'd love to see an ETW2 released. Of all TW games, ETW's timeframe is the most interesting to me. I'd love to see a remake with a better map (no more single province Spain or France), the improved diplomatic engine of S2TW, better balanced gameplay (India doesn't turn into Marathaland by 1720 with their ensuing colonization of North America, the Carribean, and Europe), and hopefully a CAI that can handle its global scale.

[vinh834]

I'm a fan of global total wars, where I could be on the defensive in my homeland and carefully make colonies elsewhere to boost my economy

[Outlawstar15a2]

None of the TW games featured a nation I could identify with but I love them all the same. Some I love more then others, some I love to hate and hate to love. But I think the series is awesome. I don't really concern myself with things like "Is my nation or a similar one in it" or "Are 'my' people featured?" Because it will always be a no.

But also I would like to think of myself as a Human before drawing national and ethnical lines everywhere.

[Lumina]

Empire is the reason I started playing Total War games. Earlier titles and titles since Empire have struck almost no interest to me. Empire is the only Total War game which has ever interested me. Even in Vanilla form I like the game a lot. I personally enjoyed it before they started patching the heck out of it. They actually broke more things than they fixed sometimes with patching.

Really the only problem I had pre-patch was the AI would just stand there sometimes and let me shell them to death, which I prefer over Jedi mind reading AI powers the AI has now. *CLICKS ON SCREEN and watches AI move their entire army somewhere else* HOLY BAT FLAPS!?

I badly miss fences actually acting like physical objects causing chaos to formations, which THEY DID IN REAL LIFE. But players complained about it so much that now wooden fences are pretty much invisible and soldiers walk over them so fluidly. I used to be able to use fences strategically, now they serve no purpose in the game but being a visual.

[FriendlyThing]

Personally, I love both to death, but I played more Shogun 2 than Empire. Big deal, it's an opinion.

[Humble Warrior]

It`s a pity really. If CA had put the improvements of S2 into Empire, I`d be playing Empire right now. I actually prefer playing Great Britain.

In my view, FOTS is way better than the whole of Empire hands down, simply because everything works right. The BAI more or less works as it should considering its got artillery and rifles. Cavalry don`t insta-react. Armies on defence now stay back, etc, etc, etc... the only slight thing still not working right is the arty`s ability to stop moving and deploy once it starts moving. the simple act of having arty load limits and the AI retreating on the Campaign map make a huge difference.

But it`s a damn sight better than how Empire works.

They need to add STW2`s improvements into Empire to justify it!

[The Hedge Knight]

The engines moved on too much Humble, they would have to shred and remake empire to do it.

[RoyalNobody]

I've loved every TW game, but as a fan of Sharpe and Hornblower, ETW and NTW kinda stuck more than the others. That said, I wouldn't want them releasing more content for us, I'm quite happy with my DMUC. Anyway, CA should focus on the new. That way they may one day end up releasing Empire II.

[Humble Warrior]

The engines moved on too much Humble, they would have to shred and remake empire to do it.

I know I read an article where CA said they might, possibly, maybe, could be, perhaps, go back and retro fit Empire, especially after the apparent news that Empire was still selling like hot cakes even today.

So... it`s not enough for CA that Empire is STILL selling (as bad as it is) to justify them going back and having a good stab at fixing it?

Well, if so that just goes to show what a balls up Empire was then. An unrepairable steam train wreck. At least FOTS shows me what might have been.

[Okuto]

I would be more happy if it was on Empire

By that logic why not medieval 2....or Rome 1......and Shogun 1......mind you empire is my favorite.....

I just would like better mod support.....I don't need CA to give us unit packs we can just make ourselves....

Just tools....