No anti-cavalry units for the bad guys

[Aldor]

Dodging one charging horse may be possible, but not when the cavalry rides in a tight formation.

The dodging might be possible when feign retreating in multiple directions, to make the space wider, however this is far stretched.

[Macilrille]

That Horse, he's such an ass sometimes.

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Seriously though, I'd always imagined charging head onto a prepared block of infantry would be supremely costly to the horse and horsemen, furthermore only the most trained and disciplined of horses would charge into a dense wall of shields and people - such a horse would be incredibly valuable and wouldn't be thrown away unless the situation was supremely desperate.

I'd imagine that cavalry without support would instead slowly gallop up to a pack line of infantry and use their strength and reach to push through rather than to crash into it. This way the cavalry can leverage off the power of the animal, the length of their spears/lances while minimising risk of entanglement so they can retreat.

If you crashed into a row of swordsmen, fall of your horse which now has broken legs into a throng of angry people carrying sharp pointy weapons, chances are you'd be dead or captured before you stand up, I would think that smart knights who valued their lives and property would avoid doing a foolish thing like that.

On the Gallic/German topic, it's very hard to place such things in context because of how vague historical anecdotes can be. For all we know they could have been describing exceptional cases or 1-on-1 combat or small scale tribal brawls rather than in battle lines. It's difficult to tell how applicable such tactics are outside of the original source of observation.

A warhorse was extremely valuable. The one I have fought most against, Baldur, has been trained for 17 years now; fantastic horse- better than the rest of the cavalry re-enactors.

Approaching a line of infantry slowly is a pretty bad idea; you loose the momentum of the horse, and when you get close enough to start using your spear, well-trained infantry will rush you and you are again but a large target. A horse at speed can easily topple and injure quite a few men in an infantry line, and penetrate into the formation; but if it stays there, it dies.

And no, it was units of Gauls and German warriors that did it and were trained for it.

[Ben.EEeee]

A horse at speed can easily topple and injure quite a few men in an infantry line, and penetrate into the formation; but if it stays there, it dies.

Hmm, interesting point - but if it charged into multiple rows of men with shields up and bracing wouldn't the horse receive injuries from the impact too?

[The dead one]

If Trolls are humiliating your cavalry. I believe that you may be using it wrong. There are many threads on Trollkilling, I personally learned a lot from them (and many other threads on tactics). If I may, I would suggest a visit to them.

I know how to use my cav dude 1 unit of cav and one with trolls. Trolls always wins. If I play an evil faction, I always send my trolls to the enemys general and they kill all of them with maybe 2 losses.

[Mikail Mengsk]

Probably he meant that you should be able to avoid trolls with cavalry, and in that case i agree. Generally, if your cavalry get charged instead of charging something, you are doing it wrong.

[Macilrille]

Yeps, you posted;

I loose more cav to the basic orc units with spear then I do to the ones with swords. Also the evil factions have trolls which humiliates any cav.

Which makes it look as if you have a problem with Trolls killing your cavalry. So I suggested you visit the various threads with advice. But since you say you need not, do not- you live in a free country (I hope).

As for Ben's question, I am not certain. When we fight Horse they do not do that for obvious reasons. But Baldur will brush aside a shield bash as it was nothing, and horses can endure fights with each other where they dish out some pretty powerful kicks that would send a man flying. But then again, they are made of flesh and bone and they do get bruises and other injuries. So I dunno, I think that it would hurt and would be a long-term injury (which is why- as I have explained in a linked thread elsewhere- horses do not by nature run into things or solid formations), but in the short term the horse could still function.

I thus cannot say for certain. That would require an expert horseman and cavalry re-enactor and I am not it. I am merely on the recieving end sometimes, love horses and have worked with them for five years while I studied.

[The dead one]

[QUOTE=Macilrille;11534756]Yeps, you posted;


Which makes it look as if you have a problem with Trolls killing your cavalry. So I suggested you visit the various threads with advice. But since you say you need not, do not- you live in a free country (I hope).



hahaha ! Yes I live in a free country It´s when I play as an evil faction (wasn´t that the main question if they had any anti cav?), trolls always wins. It doesn´t make it look like I have problem with troll killing my units. Rather opposite if you read it right(No offence ! I could have made it easier to anderstand to ).
If you turn it the other way like sending 1 unit of Ents. It took out 4 units of nazguls and only lost 4. And they also took out maybe 5 units of orcs. The trolls are weaker I get that, but they are great against cav. And if anyone have problem fighting cav they should check out some thread to see how to beat them. Rohan is the weakest faction, exept from eriador, just because they mainly use cav. Spears + trolls and you´ll have no trubble killing them with ease.

or else we doesn´t play the same game hahaha ! xD

[Macilrille]

I think we do ;-) Except I play MOS, which includes RR/RC and which I highly recommend, the team behind it are also a bunch of awesome and nice chaps.

Though as a player I like playing factions with cavalry, especially cavalry BG as they sweep the battlefield.

I think, the conclusion is that the bad guys do have anti-cavalry units is it not? I have never played evil much, so I cannot say. Perhaps time to give Mordor a go soon. They seem broken when I play good guys on M/M and usually get PWNed by Gondor.