Looting from the Dead

**Humble Warrior** · May 24, 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy

You can just swallow the M rating.

Precisely. Many games even sell more this way. Certainly a lot of mature stuff could even be incorporated and not even hit the rating. I was going to go into a lot more but this sums it up basically.

**hochmeister devin** · May 24, 2012, 10:11 AM

If your so concerned about the M rating, buy a FPS game go online and talk to the other players. I bet you $90,000 that there mostly kids under M category age, because very few people even care about that. Actually I imagine most TW players are old enough to buy it by them selves and then T or M rating doesn't matter. I've asked my friends to try this game and there all like, IT HURTS ME BRAIN TO THINK THAT MUCH!!!!!11111!!!! (my friends aren't that stupid) yet they still get there parents to buy every cod or halo that comes out and those are M rated.

**Humble Warrior** · May 24, 2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by hochmeister devin

If your so concerned about the M rating, buy a FPS game go online and talk to the other players. I bet you $90,000 that there mostly kids under M category age, because very few people even care about that. Actually I imagine most TW players are old enough to buy it by them selves and then T or M rating doesn't matter. I've asked my friends to try this game and there all like, IT HURTS ME BRAIN TO THINK THAT MUCH!!!!!11111!!!! (my friends aren't that stupid) yet they still get there parents to buy every cod or halo that comes out and those are M rated.

This too. I have L4D and that`s an 18 rated game. i can categorically say that people under 18 were playing that game when I was there especially on release and months after. In fact, some of them were as young as, I would guess, 10!

Not that I`m saying underage kids should play overage games, but it`s a bit strange to make out that this is the reason why TW isn`t more adult.

Perhaps Craig doesn`t play L4D, but I know some of CA do or did, so CA knows this.

**DannyTh3Man** · May 24, 2012, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by CraigTW

That's because of game ratings, primarily. There are very clear guidelines on what we can and can't do.

The ESRB M/ PEGI 18 ratings don't scare off the younger market
If that was the case, Call of Duty would lose all those lovely children who know more swears than I do aka half their sales

I would be fine if Total War was mature, as you really are selling to a mature audience

**Lord Baal** · May 24, 2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

This too. I have L4D and that`s an 18 rated game.

Say what?? You are underage?? I always pictured you in my mind as a guy in it's forties or more (even retired) living in the suburban area of London or something along those lines...

No.. now I understand you post... you are talking about the others online gamers...

This rating thing is more about a way for parents that pretend to care fell good about themselves for buying "appropriate" rated game for their children... those are same hypocritical guys that would make petitions, march, strike or do anything not practical but time consuming to "protect" their children from a tv show, but never consider to sit down, share some time with their kids and simply turn of the tv for a couple of hours.

Originally Posted by DannyTh3Man

I would be fine if Total War was mature, as you really are selling to a mature audience

That's true. Most of those toddlers doesn't have either the patience or cognitive reasoning to play a strategy game beyond a click fest and zerg rush, aka actually using strategy and tactics.

**Humble Warrior** · May 24, 2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Baal

Say what?? You are underage?? I always pictured you in my mind as a guy in it's forties or more (even retired) living in the suburban area of London or something along those lines...

No.. now I understand you post... you are talking about the others online gamers... .

Me forties? Never!

Originally Posted by Lord Baal

This rating thing is more about a way for parents that pretend to care fell good about themselves for buying "appropriate" rated game for their children... those are same hypocritical guys that would make petitions, march, strike or do anything not practical but time consuming to "protect" their children from a tv show, but never consider to sit down, share some time with their kids and simply turn of the tv for a couple of hours.
.

Absolutely agree with you... and not to be afraid that the kid will whine because you turned off the TV\deprived them of their above age game. In fact a good parent won`t need to worry about a game rating, but simply judge its suitability by viewing it a while. I highlight the key bit that many parents just can`t be bothered to do. It`s sad, really. It`s down to the parents. I would rep you, but can`t.

**Savoyard** · May 25, 2012, 07:38 PM

However, I'd love to see much more systems implemented on the Campaign Map like logistics and looting.

**Sir_Red** · May 29, 2012, 06:33 AM

Did anyone see the latest episode of Game of Thrones? Now that was a battle. Gritty as anything, the cries of the dead haunting the battlefield and the bells of war ringing out, some brutal scenes. On another level also the talk of how the city would be sacked and what goes on, the rape, burning and looting to the extent that suicide is the only option. I know this level of complexity would be far too much for TW series, especially just for a siege, but I do think war is too glossy and airbrushed in TW games and believe it should be made truly hellish. At the very least there should be after siege options back like "execute populace/captives". Kids play COD which is rated 18 or whatever and I don't know how many kids actually play tw games tbh!

**Humble Warrior** · May 29, 2012, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Sir_Red

Did anyone see the latest episode of Game of Thrones? Now that was a battle. Gritty as anything, the cries of the dead haunting the battlefield and the bells of war ringing out, some brutal scenes. On another level also the talk of how the city would be sacked and what goes on, the rape, burning and looting to the extent that suicide is the only option. I know this level of complexity would be far too much for TW series, especially just for a siege, but I do think war is too glossy and airbrushed in TW games and believe it should be made truly hellish. At the very least there should be after siege options back like "execute populace/captives". Kids play COD which is rated 18 or whatever and I don't know how many kids actually play tw games tbh!

Heard a lot about it. Looking to watching it.

**Kinjo** · May 29, 2012, 07:41 AM

Out of all the years I have played TW the youngest player I have run into was 16 (he ended up join the clan I was in), so I don't think there are very many kids playing this game anyways. Yeah the Blackwater episode for Game of Thrones was epic, sucks there is only more episode left for season 2.

**♘Top Hat Zebra** · May 29, 2012, 07:45 AM

Im not even 16 yet, so you would be surprised.

It's not the age, really, that distinguishes Total War players. Rather, it's the level of maturity that, in general, we're able to maintain.

**Humble Warrior** · May 29, 2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Kinjo

Out of all the years I have played TW the youngest player I have run into was 16 (he ended up join the clan I was in), so I don't think there are very many kids playing this game anyways. Yeah the Blackwater episode for Game of Thrones was epic, sucks there is only more episode left for season 2.

You would be very, very surprised. I was in a squad (around 20-30 age adults) and we had a member with us for 6 months before he admitted he was 14! We had no idea. That said, he was very adult for his age (and silent), but then I guess he was having too much funny being enlightened by our conversations.

Still, we had to more careful after that.

No, many underaged people who should not really be playing overaged games do.

**Ceorl84** · May 29, 2012, 10:55 AM

I can't say this feature excites mostly because I don't see it adding much to the game. CA clearly wanted to avoid on the field weapon and armor upgrades so it's very unlikely they would impliment a feature that would bypass this design decision. While a cash provision actually furthers removes the game from any "realism" claim since replenishment currently doesn't cost a dime despite the fact that re-fitting damaged units should be quite costly. I do agree that I miss some of the prior TW features such as a prisoner counter which then could be released, ransomed, or executed. The best feature I could suggest is that it has always annoyed me that any enemy guns would not be recovered since the ability to produce a weapon has hardly been a limiting factor in warefare to their use.

As such a portion of any enemy muskets (say 1 for every 3 units killed) could be recovered and an existing unit in your army then converted (proportionally remaining unit size and all) into its musket equivalent. So a Katana Samurai becomes a Musket Samurai and a Yari Ashgarui becomes a Musket Ashgarui. The trade off being that the new units losses all existing experience levels and weapon/armor bonuses because it is a new weapon which the soldiers have had little time to train with.

As for the whole lack of maturity present in TW games, there are plenty of non-mature features, such as a supply system, I'd prefer to see implimented before TW starts moving down the dark, gritty road which is all the rage nowadays.