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[Hazbones]

So any skinning been done yet? I could start churning out skinned units if I had a base model and base skin to play off of. I think the enthusiasm for this mod will really take off if we can feed the hungry masses with screenies of units as we finish them.

[Titan Uranus]

Ok, first to simulate rail networks we could just use different levels of roads, re modeled to look like railroads.
Second, it is a blatant lie to say that just as many blacks fought for the C.S.A. as the U.S.A. a few regiments and single cases does not equal hundreds of thousands, of men.

Most of both sides advantages can be easily simulated with current gameplay mechanics, the exceptions are Gatling guns and repeating rifles.

[harshman_chris]

You want to join the team, sure.

As for skinned units, give it a few more days until until we have compiled a unit list, I have 4 days before a 40 page report is due for school so I need to finish that off but then hopefully we can have unit lists done by the end of next week and start the skinning process.

For now it will just be changing the textures which we can then use to create new units, I am not sure what we are going to do about the hats yet, we might need wait until we can get access at the models to change hats to the famour union hats.

But we can work some of the other units, and get samples out.

As to Slave numbers, 179,000 fought for the north which total 10% of their armed forces strength. The confederates had as many as 69000, but only 13000 met the enemy in battle.

And while it was not until the last days of the war that the government recruited them into the army, officers would often use them to replenish their units, in the south, which the except of one or two black units they all served in mixed units.

I was already thinking of doing railways in such a manner as it makes the most sense. Repeating Rifles will be easy we can just make a fast reloading dragoon, who were the ones who had repeating rifles really.

[Titan Uranus]

I was already thinking of doing railways in such a manner as it makes the most sense. Repeating Rifles will be easy we can just make a fast reloading dragoon, who were the ones who had repeating rifles really.

Thing is last I checked, no one knew how to give infantry magazines, though we could just make a faster rifle, it would be better to use mags because it would simulate the shock effect of 12 volleys in six seconds, and then have twelve( or whatever) seconds of reloading.
Also not all blacks were slaves and far higher numbers served in the navy, but I'll drop it.

[Aradiel]

So any skinning been done yet? I could start churning out skinned units if I had a base model and base skin to play off of. I think the enthusiasm for this mod will really take off if we can feed the hungry masses with screenies of units as we finish them.

The closest vanilla model to what we need is the milita unit from the road to independence campaign. Altering this model in the future would allow us to make most uniforms out of it with minimal changes. We have all the nessecary references for any uniform you can imagine, if you like i can try to find the closest match, and you could also skin the ironclad model im about to finish as well if you like

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[Hazbones]

The closest vanilla model to what we need is the milita unit from the road to independence campaign. Altering this model in the future would allow us to make most uniforms out of it with minimal changes. We have all the nessecary references for any uniform you can imagine, if you like i can try to find the closest match, and you could also skin the ironclad model im about to finish as well if you like

Militia unit you're referring to the Virginia militia correct? I haven't played RTI yet.

I am just a beginner when it comes to skinning but if I have a diffuse map of the ironclad you are making then yes I can skin it.

also...
Most CSA units wore a slouch hat after the supply of kepis ran out so any model we have that wears a slouch hat will do (there are many) however the US units mostly wore kepi or fez except units like the Iron Brigade who wore a slouch hat with the brim turned up on one side (see the euro pikeman model for a similar example).

[Aradiel]

Militia unit you're referring to the Virginia militia correct? I haven't played RTI yet.

Yes

I am just a beginner when it comes to skinning but if I have a diffuse map of the ironclad you are making then yes I can skin it.

I will pm you a reference, will be good practice.

Most CSA units wore a slouch hat after the supply of kepis ran out so any model we have that wears a slouch hat will do (there are many) however the US units mostly wore kepi or fez except units like the Iron Brigade who wore a slouch hat with the brim turned up on one side (see the euro pikeman model for a similar example).

Will also look for a proper reference for that.

[El_Diablo13]

im pretty sure the modellers on this team can give u something to work with

[Emperor_of_Italy]

Please delete.

[tobier]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=244157

Why did you post that? This is for the Civil War mod, you shouldn't "advertise" other stuff here :S

[Emperor_of_Italy]

Please delete.

[tobier]

Ok, I'm sorry, how do you delete posts?

I don't know if you can, just edit it out and write like "Please delete" and a moderator will surely find it and delete.

[Kiljaden]

All I want to say, is please, please, please make the campaign map for North America huge! And I mean HUGE! Hell, cut out the western half of it if you have to!

[Gomer_Pyle]

Great work and idea so far...

Did not read through all the posts. But I got a small tip. When you do the map making bit. If you go that far. Please try to make it big but not too big... You are probably going 1 turn = 1 week. So try to make the map so it looks kind of realistic when it comes to movement of an entire army (in 1 week) A perfectly based mapsize will make the war more intense. I would probably first try and go for the america theatre already there in the first place. Maybe a bit bigger. But not much. And to keep the replayability some random events that can change the course of the game.

Keep up the good work.. Looks brilliant.

[tobier]

Atleast the way I view our map, is to make it big. And yes, it will concentrate on NA. I'm going to look into how long an army could march in a week, you can find out pretty much if you follow the movements of the armies before, during and after major battles/campaigns.

[UEFHokie]

A normal army march was 10 miles a day. Gen. Jackson marched his troops 25 miles a day, he began earlier (began at 3 in the morning and went for 17 hours roughly) and kept a faster pace. During the Bull Run Campaign, he marched his troops 56 miles in 2 days.

I have a bunch of notes from my Civil War History class, which is where I got this information from.

[Aradiel]

Marching 10 miles a day sounds reasonable, 25 however will leave you exausted. We will have to reflect the infrastructure and the terrain, like railways and troop transport via boats. Its also a difference to march on a road or through wildneress, marshland is of course the worst. I wonder if it would be possible to reflect the exaustion of an army that marches before a battle in the battle where units start tired instead of fresh based on the used movementpoints.

[harshman_chris]

10 miles seems good, so that would be 70 miles in a week, with roads? or before roads, and roads would not speed up marching that much. Railways would though.

I am going to look into the tiredness thing, that would be neat

[Aradiel]

10 miles seems good, so that would be 70 miles in a week, with roads? or before roads, and roads would not speed up marching that much. Railways would though.

I am going to look into the tiredness thing, that would be neat

We clearly need to research that but an asumption:


Railway: 100-150 miles per day?

By boat: 50 miles per day

10-15 miles per day on a road or equivalent. It must be wide enough to march in column, if its not it will considerably slow down the movement and also the artillery pieces and supply wagons will get stuck.

5-10 miles in the Wilderness, flats to Forrest no maintained roads.

0-5 miles swamp, marshland, semi-alpine terrain.

[harshman_chris]

Now to figure out what those would be in game values.

Also even after a 10 mile hike units will be somewhat tired before moving into battle, maybe it should work so that units can movwe farther than 10 miles but if they do they before much more tired.