Re: [Version 3] Feedback & Discussion Thread
I used a poor choice of words... however, I did say that the South had no roads like we know them today or the likes of which existed in the North in that time. Most of the southern roads were actually paths (defined as: A trodden track or way), made by long usage and barely wide enough for a single carriage to travel upon. I haven't come across any evidence that in that time roads were built with intention to be used as such. Most of them came to existence because of the necessity of the people not some engineering and government endorsed project. these roads were dusty in the summer and if the rain fell they became impassable because of the mud. Average Napoleon 12-pounder weighted around 1,200 kilos (some 2,300 pounds) and was wide as much as two meters along the wheel axis (this could actually varied between manufacturers and exact measure is hard to come by) so road would be good for only one gun at a time... if a rain fell it was nearly impossible to move them by roads. it was easier to move them across the open ground and this was used many times (especially if the terrain allowed it).Originally Posted by tap11
Further more, Atlanta Campaign (as I came to see it; although I'm no expert) was entirely depended on the roads as you said, or even better the lack of the roads... With railroad as the prime means of transportation of that time roads were usually in second plan. When studying the Sherman's Campaign in the South, you will never come across the info such as: Sherman used that road and moved all of his troops along it... in the south it was nearly impossible... now, I don't want to argue with you and I do admit that road was essential for any army, but roads (defined as: An open, generally public way for the passage of vehicles, people, and animals. and in engineering terms: an open way, usually surfaced with tarmac or concrete, providing passage from one place to another) were actually narrower paths which often didn't connect to each other... Also, ofc, that cities like Atlanta had some degree of roads developed arround them... But the question is how far did it go? It certainly didn't go through entire state of Georgia and I can bet that beside the city of Atlanta, only a handful of surrounding counties were effectively connected to the city.
Here you can see how the roads looked during the battle of Atlanta (and I'm sure you did that already) and you will notice few things:
a) many of the roads finish as dead ends
b) there is no info how wide or useful they actually were
so I see no point of arguing that allowing the CS to build only first tier of Roads (Basic Roads) isn't historically accurate... as you said yourself, there were no paved roads in the south... so why demand them if they weren't present historically?
This is a "sunken road" at Antietam... and that is in Washington County, Sharpsburg, Maryland. This is a road in the North, and not in the South... it could hardly be called a road by any engineering standards, don't you agree? so, nothing above paths and only basic roads is historically acceptable for the South... don't you think so also?
I again I said, no roads as we know them today... now you are just nick-nacking... We never said there were no plantationsI knew I was right! I can't imagine that there were no roads at all. Bad roads, OK. No stone roads, OK. But no roads at all is a bit of an exaggeration. While I'm at it... Is the team right about the plantations too, saying there were no large plantations like in for example North and South film series?
stop misinterpreting what I wrote...
this is my original post on the subject:
see the colored and bolded part? notice the word ...were rare..? I never said they didn't exist, I just said that it wasn't the case of all the planters having plantations like that... these were very rare. Most of the South's planters owned few more than 12 slaves (limit required to achieve a status of a planter) and they were usually working their necks off on the field with their slaves. But, the fact remains, that we will not change the building levels of plantation because in the game they represent the plantation output of entire region (or a state) and not individual planters...plantations like Tara (from Gone with a Wind) or from North&South series were rare. There were under 200 planters in entire South who owned more than 100 slaves. To be a planter you needed to own at least 12 slaves, and those were hardly plantations we have in our mind when thinking about South. They had streets in the cities ofc, but there were no roads as we know them today or that were in use in the North in the same period. It was mostly horseback and coach (bumpy ride) and on foot...
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