Obama Finally Backs Gay Marriage (Publicly)

[Prosaic Visitant]

Hmm, Its all good circus politic,s.
Keep,s the debate well away from finance shennanagins.

Why has the MF Global boss not been brought to book, Perhaps his huge campaign donations had something to do with it?
With JP Morgan beginning to look like another scandal in the making?
Goldman,s pocketing of $700 million of MF Globals customer,s money another issue swept under the carpet?

Still its nice to know the president approves of Gay marriage, It gets the hill billies backs up.

Or it could be that Obama got 1 million $ in the one hour of making this announcement. The GM lobby has quite a few wealthy individuals.

What about them? What exact relevance do they have to the discussion, beyond being a red herring?

There are poly pride groups in existance who wish to be able to have marriage legalised for them. Why do people support gay marriage but conveinantly forget about this group? its hypocrisy.

[Lord Zhang Ku]

There are poly pride groups in existance who wish to be able to have marriage legalised for them. Why do people support gay marriage but conveinantly forget about this group? its hypocrisy.

How is this hypocrisy? The gay marriage people want nothing to do with the poly people for a reason. There is a gulf of a difference between gay marriage and poly marriage.

[Exarch]

some historians imply that Rome fell because of all that debauchery and gladiatorial matches;
similarly, if America allows gay marriage, that'll be the end of America, you'll see. Such sinfulness and wanton amorality will compel the utter destruction of America as an empire; indeed ostrogoths will ransack the capitol as they did 2 millenia ago, if gay marriage goes ahead.

[Menelik_I]

Do we really need to go over why something being part of a solid, 6000 year tradition is a terrible, terrible argument for its validity?

Besides the pretension of people who think that their generation is the brightest generation humanity ever produced ?

[Astaroth]

Oppression of women, of people who think differently, of people of a different skin color... do I really need to continue?

Something being "traditional" says nothing about its validity whatsoever.

[Menelik_I]

Oppression of women, of people who think differently, of people of a different skin color... do I really need to continue?

Something being "traditional" says nothing about its validity whatsoever.

[YuriVII]

As magpie said, this whole thing is a ing circus and people are falling for it (as usual).

Guess what everyone knew he supported gay marriage, look at the damn political cloth he is cut from. His position has still remained the same since 2008 when he promised the same thing. However that Obama guy is clever. He says, "Leave it up to the states." You know he is right that this sort of thing is a state issue, but that doesn't take away that it was a cop-out. You'll see, he'll drag his knuckles in the next term. Why? Because this is a non-issue for the business of government. They are much too worried about robbing the people blind to worry about fags getting married.

[Rolling Thunder]

Setting people on fire for not worshiping God also is a fine old Christian tradition. And slavery - indeed, the Bible is far more specific (as a whole) on the ins and outs of slavery than it is on the matter of legitimized marital bumsex.

There are poly pride groups in existance who wish to be able to have marriage legalised for them. Why do people support gay marriage but conveinantly forget about this group? its hypocrisy.

Because that is a separate point entirely. That would be rather like, were we having this discussion fifty years ago, arguing "well why should be legalize interracial marriage, when you're completely ignoring gay marriage" - two separate, discreet points. Personally, the problem I have is if that poly marriage benefits extend to multiple partners it becomes too open to exploitation, but again, I have no problem with poly marriage in principle, with proper reform - and neither does the bible.

[Lord Consul]

I'm all for gay marriage but I'm aghast that Obama is basically getting kudos for basically admitting publicly that he deceived the public back in 2008 about his beliefs. His first statements in favour of gay marriage were uttered in... 1995. Yet back in 2008 he said he only supported civil unions and now he's portraying his 'coming out' as an 'evolution' in his position.

[Matthias]

I'm all for gay marriage but I'm aghast that Obama is basically getting kudos for basically admitting publicly that he deceived the public back in 2008 about his beliefs. His first statements in favour of gay marriage were uttered in... 1995. Yet back in 2008 he said he only supported civil unions and now he's portraying his 'coming out' as an 'evolution' in his position.

He's getting kudos for not lying anymore about it to avoid political repercussions, which is a sad reflection on our system.

I don't really give him kudos for it, but for supporters of gay marriage, they'll take what they can get, so I doubt they'll care to go after Obama much for his duplicity when they have Romney saying he wants a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage and civil unions. Don't bite the hand that feeds you etc. etc.

But yeah, your cynicism is shared.

[SLN445]

Be happy atleast one of your two parties has a leader willing to support it, both Australia's major Parties have leaders that are against it which is annoying when the majority of people support it.... the only other decent sized parties that support it are the Greens and they can go get ed!

[Mr. Scott]

Besides the pretension of people who think that their generation is the brightest generation humanity ever produced ?

We may not be perfect or the least spoiled, but we're a hell of a lot more open-minded than most of the dinosaurs before us.

[Himster]

Besides the pretension of people who think that their generation is the brightest generation humanity ever produced ?

We're not the brightest, we're just the most advanced so far.

[OCWife]

We're not the brightest...

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[jamson]

Marriage- Union between a man and a woman.

[Menelik_I]

15 millions can do of miracles ...

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What is ironic is that even though Obama came out to support Gay Marriage, his actually position is along the line of the supposed homophobic law known as DOMA ... politics seems to be the art of making the irrelevant exciting.

The law says that each state have the power to determine to recognize gay marriage or no according to their law ... and Obama said that He is in favor of states making a decision on the matter ... dude is sure courageous for his unprecedented decision.

Section 2. Powers reserved to the states

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

Section 3. Definition of marriage

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word ‘marriage’ means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word ‘spouse’ refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.