You have forgotten two.
You have forgotten two.
5. Feanor, Findis, Fingolfin, Irime, Finarfin.
Had to look on wikipedia, didn't show them in the family trees in the Silmarillion :/
EDIT: right because that would be because they aren't mentioned there...
Heh, forgot Findis and Irime in all my hastyness
Aww, ninjaed
They are not mentioned anywhere in The silmarillion, not even in Finwe's family tree, they're aparrently mentioned in another source.
Anyway new question:
In one of his letters Tolkien points out a slight irony in his dislike for allegory while writing fantasy novels. What is this irony that he points out?
Last edited by crawfs; September 25, 2012 at 01:31 AM.
anyone wanna try and take a crack at it?
Unless the answer is <crickets>, I'm guessing no.
I'll give you a clue, it's in a letter that was put in the Silmarillion (at least one of the version anyway).
I have looked but so far haven't found anything. There are a lot of letters and the search function is only so good.
There is a letter included in the preface/introduction of my Silmarillion edition, and I think I remember reading about what you're looking for in it. I don't have time to look up the answer though.
Are you referring to the fact that Tolkien dislikes the use of novels as allegory? The irony would be that he goes on to admit that he is influenced by his life and faith. He also discusses the idea that the more books try to be allegorical the more likely they are to be accepted as stories, and the less they try to be a straight allegory the more people try to cram them into a mold.
This is all from letter 131 to Milton Waldman.
If that's not it I give up. I don't have that copy of the Silmarillion so have to rely on online sources.
No that's not it either anyone else, it's close though, he mentions that he dislikes allegory but he also points out a slight irony in this, can anyone get it? Might have to get Ngugi or Macrille again
EDIT: I'm an idiot I re-read my original question and I realised I wrote it wrong, it's fixed now I MEANT ALLEGORY. Hopefully this clears up confusion
Last edited by crawfs; September 25, 2012 at 01:52 AM.
Tis the letter to Milton Waldman sent on 1951 and it is letter 131. That is the one printed on the Silmarillion and it says:
I dislike Allegory — the conscious and intentional allegory - yet any attempt to explain the purport of myth or fairytale must use allegorical language. (And, of course, the more ‘life’ a story has the more readily will it be susceptible of allegorical interpretations: while the better a deliberate allegory is made the more nearly will it be acceptable just as a story.)
And it was really bright to ask such a question, that is found only in one edition of the Silmarillion and the Letters (a book with 354 letters).
If you insist that the answer is different then you should wait for someone to read 500 pages of Letters to find the one you seek...
Last edited by Arǭmēz; September 25, 2012 at 05:19 AM.
Let’s keep enjoying kings and wizards. But also remember to keep them where they belong.
Where they can do little harm.
Where they entertain us.
In fantasies...
That's correct, sorry for originally writing out the question wrong.
Rep scouter535 as well. He gave the same answer as me.
what phrase was inscribed on Gilraen's grave and what did it mean (not just the translation but the meaning.)
Let’s keep enjoying kings and wizards. But also remember to keep them where they belong.
Where they can do little harm.
Where they entertain us.
In fantasies...
''I gave Hope to the Dunedain but kept none for myself." By Hope she meant Aragorn[ Also known as Estel] to whom she gave birth, but couldn't keep with her as he wandered with his Kinsmen.
Correct.
Someone rep. Feanaro cause I can't...
Let’s keep enjoying kings and wizards. But also remember to keep them where they belong.
Where they can do little harm.
Where they entertain us.
In fantasies...
Is that really on her Grave? Didn't she just say that to Aragorn the last time he visited her?
EDIT: Repped
Who was the 40th Chieftain from the line of Elendil?
There were only 16 Chieftains of the Dunedain, but if you count from Elendil (counting also kings of Arnor and Arthedain) I'd say...
Arathorn II, Aragorn's father.