[Decision]Custom User Title for all Members

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Only a few weeks have passed since I've become a citizen and less than 5-6 months that I've been serving as Content Staff (that position allowed me to set my user title for the first time) and I still remember my 'feelings' from doing that. Well, it's a little nice feature and a fine privilege to be able to edit your user title. Since it has been a feature restricted to citizens and content staff for all these years, I see no reason to just throw it to everyone else but we can set a minimum of requirements from a member to gain this ability. For example, the requirements could be to reach a certain amount of posts or reputation. I definitely believe that even such a little feature could raise interest for members to contribute a little bit to acquire it.

[Aikanár]

Just PM GED, when you guys switch to vB 4.x.x then just make it so, no need to talk about it here, after all everyone in opposition is only saying "why change? Just for the sake of changing?", as in they don't have a problem with it either way.

As long as it is not imposed from HEX or the Owner, but is proposed here, nobody besides the proposer and CdeC members are obliged to post anything.

The proposer inteds to convince other fellow citizens and thus is obliged to present arguments. It's totally up to his skill or the skill of his supporters to persuade other citizens to vote in favour for the proposed change.

Councillors of the CdeC are obliged by the constitution to actively participate in every discussion.

Everbody else is not obliged to post anything here, regardless whether one is in opposition or in favour or is just not bothered at all.

If this would be an initiative of GED or HEX than they would've either started it themselves or have just implemented it on their own in the first place.

Escaping the process of discussion and possible vote just because there seems to be not that of a positive interest for the proposal, which can only be proven by having a vote, by suggesting to change the approach of acting within the confines of the constitution to acting beyond it is interesting.

[Leonidas The Lion]

Just PM GED, when you guys switch to vB 4.x.x then just make it so, no need to talk about it here, after all everyone in opposition is only saying "why change? Just for the sake of changing?", as in they don't have a problem with it either way.

Nice way of spitting in the Curia's face imo.

[Ishan]

For example, the requirements could be to reach a certain amount of posts or reputation.

No need to encourage spamming and rep abuse, i already have a hard time controlling coliseum.

As long as it is not imposed from HEX or the Owner, but is proposed here, nobody besides the proposer and CdeC members are obliged to post anything.

The proposer inteds to convince other fellow citizens and thus is obliged to present arguments. It's totally up to his skill or the skill of his supporters to persuade other citizens to vote in favour for the proposed change.

Councillors of the CdeC are obliged by the constitution to actively participate in every discussion.

Everbody else is not obliged to post anything here, regardless whether one is in opposition or in favour or is just not bothered at all.

If this would be an initiative of GED or HEX than they would've either started it themselves or have just implemented it on their own in the first place.

Escaping the process of discussion and possible vote just because there seems to be not that of a positive interest for the proposal, which can only be proven by having a vote, by suggesting to change the approach of acting within the confines of the constitution to acting beyond it is interesting.

Why are you telling me this? Stating the obvious doesn't change the fact that there's no other reason to oppose this besides having it for yourself. Constitution doesn't states anything related to usertitles, so curia holds no power over it.

Nice way of spitting in the Curia's face imo.

Curia doesn't owns "Usertitles", so i'm not spitting on anything. Whatever ends the pointless discussions and proposals in curia.

[Aikanár]

Why are you telling me this?

Because your suggestion called for this.

Stating the obvious doesn't change the fact that there's no other reason to oppose this besides having it for yourself.

There is a difference between the way custom user titles are dealt with as it is now and them being restricted to citizens only -which nobody has suggested in this discussion.
Thus I really fail to see that the CVRIA are having them for themselves.

Edit @Ishan's: Edit:

Constitution doesn't states anything related to usertitles, so curia holds no power over it.

I know so and have adressed that already, if GED's or HEX's point of view regarding the matter might have changed from:

Actually it does as already pointed out.




Once again you have misread me, its becoming a bad habit.

When I say "I can just do it" I do NOT mean...

"I am an admin that can trample all over the Constution and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it."


All of the administrators, myself included, have to live within the confines of the Constitution. We all agreed to, and we all do. And I also agree the Curia does make this site unique though we might argue a bit about how useful its been.

So while I technically CAN delete the Curia strictly because of administrative rights, I cannot because of how the site is structured. It would be ethically wrong, and I would never seriously consider it. For all intents and purposes the Constitution is the basis of TWC "law". The "law" does not allow me to delete the Curia, nor does my personal word to both Garb and Ian allow me to delete the Curia.

What I mean when I say "I can just do it (create user titles)" is that this area is not defined in the Constitution so there is no "legal" reason I cannot enable this for everyone.

to act well within their remit but outside the constitution, then so be it.

But starting a discussion within the confines of the constitution and then, when it turns out that the discussion does not turn into the discussion starter's favour, referring to means outside the confines of the constitution leaves the heavy impression of somebody trying to achieve his own will at all costs for the sake of his own whim.

[Ishan]

Because your suggestion called for this.

Ever heard of the word practical? Because that's what it was. Your posts in this thread over complicates a simple thing. You just had to say yes or no. Debating over minor things is a complete waste of everyone's time.

There is a difference between the way custom user titles are dealt with as it is now and them being restricted to citizens only -which nobody has suggested in this discussion.
Thus I really fail to see that the CVRIA are having them for themselves.

CVRIA is for improving the site in general and pass any proposals that benefits the entire membership on a wider scale. This proposal, even though minor, achieves the same thing. Now since only citizens can vote on it and most of them are reluctant to share this feature, then yes, Curia is holding it back and thus keeping this perk for themselves.

to act well within their remit but outside the constitution, then so be it.

But starting a discussion within the confines of the constitution and then, when it turns out that the discussion does not turn into the discussion starter's favour, referring to means outside the confines of the constitution leaves the heavy impression of somebody trying to achieve his own will at all costs for the sake of his own whim.

Not every proposal is executed in curia, Q&S is a living example of it, when many things have been implemented without any curial involvement. If someday hex decides to make this happen without asking anyone then they won't be doing anything outside the remits of TWC constitution.

And OP didn't agree to anything i said, so he isn't trying to achieve his own will, keep track of the thread please. I'm the one that gave him this suggestion.

[Aikanár]

Ever heard of the word practical? Because that's what it was. Your posts in this thread over complicates a simple thing. You just had to say yes or no. Debating over minor things is a complete waste of everyone's time.

I'm very sorry that I failed in self-restricting my freedom of speech.

CVRIA is for improving the site in general and pass any proposals that benefits the entire membership on a wider scale.

Would you mind to provide this very quote from the constitution please?

This proposal, even though minor, achieves the same thing. Now since only citizens can vote on it and most of them are reluctant to share this feature, then yes, Curia is holding it back and thus keeping this perk for themselves.

And Content Staff and LM's.

[Bolkonsky]

GED is actually wrong, when he said that. We're not talking about taking a right from the Curia, as it is not legislated. We're talking about something that affects the general userbase. Something that the Curia cannot control without the approval of Hex. Even if this decision passes, Hex needs to approve it. The Curia has no operating rights over the full users group, and this is not a Constitutionally declared exclusive privilege. The Curia is not a necessity here at all. If that was the case, when we restricted signatures to only people with 25+ posts, we would have had to propose it in the Curia. I merely brought it up here out of courtesy, as an opportunity for the Curia to do something useful. If it fails, I'm not going to PM an admin and ask them to do it.

Content Staff and LM's do not have the organized communicative power that the Curia does.

[Ishan]

I'm very sorry that I failed in self-restricting my freedom of speech.

Nobody is putting shackles on you otherwise.

Would you mind to provide this very quote from the constitution please?

Would you mind providing me a quote from the constitution that says otherwise?

And Content Staff and LM's.

Are they voting\posting here?

[Leonidas The Lion]

Curia doesn't owns "Usertitles", so i'm not spitting on anything. Whatever ends the pointless discussions and proposals in curia.

Many things that go on in the Curia could otherwise be considered little and pointless.

[Aikanár]

Not every proposal is executed in curia, Q&S is a living example of it, when many things have been implemented without any curial involvement. If someday hex decides to make this happen without asking anyone then they won't be doing anything outside the remits of TWC constitution.

Never said anything contradicting to this.

And OP didn't agree to anything i said, so he isn't trying to achieve his own will, keep track of the thread please. I'm the one that gave him this suggestion.

That's why I phrased it impersonal.

Edit:

Would you mind providing me a quote from the constitution that says otherwise?

I'm, again, very sorry, but I don't consider a straw man a valid argument.

[Ishan]

Many things that go on in the Curia could otherwise be considered little and pointless.

That's very true leo and you i think already know that i dislike these repetitive bills with strong passion. Transparency, patronization waiting time & what not. Besides modding vault idea and recent change regarding the role of magistrates and a possible increase of number of tribunes to further improve the tribunal, i haven't seen anything worthwhile (not including any medal proposals for deserving candidates in it).

I'm, again, very sorry, but I don't consider a straw man a valid argument.

Then next time think before you start one.

[Navajo Joe]

If the User can choose their own title, are they able to choose what they want, who will moderate their choice?

For example if I chose 'Ishan's Right Hand Man' or 'Son of Aikanar' who is going to decide whether that is appropriate or not?

[Bolkonsky]

If the User can choose their own title, are they able to choose what they want, who will moderate their choice?

For example if I chose 'Ishan's Right Hand Man' or 'Son of Aikanar' who is going to decide whether that is appropriate or not?

Moderators. No different than signatures, or avatars, or even usernames. If that's an issue, I can start a decision to keep those limited to Citizens only, too.

[Aikanár]

Then next time think before you start one.

stupid we will turn on little brains, my precious
yes we will and we whips few brain cells very hardsy, gollum, gollum

[Bolkonsky]

I hope everyone is happy, I made a presentation on it!

http://prezi.com/bdjdhygacyyx/copy-o...-a-good-thing/

[imb39]

Against. It's a perk!

[Jom]

Against. It's a perk!

There are precious few of being a Citizen these days.

[DekuTrash]

I hope everyone is happy, I made a presentation on it!

http://prezi.com/bdjdhygacyyx/copy-o...-a-good-thing/

Well done!

I'd have to oppose it, to me the custom user title is a little extra present given to the ranks of Citizen and Artifex who've contributed greatly to TWC.

[Boustrophedon]

I have to say I heavily dislike the "Curia doesn't like it so we'll let Hex implement it"-approach being offered here. Maybe I've been watching too much Borgen season two, but it seems like trying to find a backdoor because you are being blocked by the voting public. I might be a very new and junior Citizen, but to me it seems strange to present a bill in the Curia if your answer to legitimate questions in the discussion is basically "Hex can do it in a second without your permission". You wish to present a bill to the Citizens here in the Curia but I haven't seen anything in those four pages so far to convince me it's worth my support or my vote. I discount the "everybody should have it"-argument btw...

I will repeat my remark I made in a previous post. It's very easy to have a custom user title and all it takes is a little commitment and a little effort into the site. No effort = no perks in my book