View Poll Results: Which kind of icons would you prefere?

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    12 44.44%
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    Default Which icons should we use?

    Hi there guys as I saw that there were many of you who dislike the new icons I would like to have the feeling of everyone on this subject.

    So here the poll problem. Would you prefer to have the new icon system or the Tricorn to Helmet one?

    N°1: New icons.

    The "Red background with a frame", which allow to have a difference between each unit card.

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    N°2: The First ones that I realised for Tricorn to Helmet:

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    N°3 Both of them:
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    Do not forget to explain your vote if you want to give your feeling.

    Greetings guys!
    Last edited by Flikitos; April 18, 2012 at 03:58 AM.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    I was torn between the second and third options for a bit. I did some tinkering in MS Paint and I think the third option is a nice compromise!

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    I cannot vote but I like the second.

    Flikitos: No worries mate, I gave you my vote, I do not think I am expected to vote; for that it is preferable that the fans give their feeling.
    Last edited by Flikitos; April 18, 2012 at 06:08 AM.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    I prefer the first one because:
    • they clearly show what type of unit it is related to (line, foreign, auxiliaries) ;
    • the border is better in my opinion ;
    • it will use same icon than New Prussian Gloria and NPI (I will modify its icons, but I will replace the background with regimental flags.


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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Doctor View Post
    Flikitos: No worries mate, I gave you my vote, I do not think I am expected to vote; for that it is preferable that the fans give their feeling.
    oh, merci

    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Doctor View Post
    It will use same icon than New Prussian Gloria and NPI (I will modify its icons, but I will replace the background with regimental flags.
    Icons with soldiers uniform figures and some form of regimental flags could be potentially very interesting option. Why not to use something like this in IS3 perhaps?

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    I voted No. 2

    No. 1 has too much going on. I would say the colored background is overkill to highlight what type of unit it is. Maybe if the backgound color was something less bold it would work better.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Well I have to say that Wangrin is right the new icons are clearer than the T2H ones, the fact is those can make the difference on the early period, when the details are too small on an unit card (epaulettes, pockets,..) and during a battle we do not have the time analyse the card so as to selected the good one. It needs to be something intuitive I think. It is just a personal feeling of course.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Voted for number two, but I think they should use the little symbols (fleur-de-lis, crown etc) that you had before. However, number three may be a good compromise if the result is very close. Thanks for letting us have the input!

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Y Brenin View Post
    Voted for number two, but I think they should use the little symbols (fleur-de-lis, crown etc) that you had before. However, number three may be a good compromise if the result is very close. Thanks for letting us have the input!
    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    The new icons are clearer than the T2H ones, the fact is those can make the difference on the early period, when the details are too small on an unit card (epaulettes, pockets,..) and during a battle we do not have the time analyse the card so as to selected the good one. It needs to be something intuitive I think.
    This is the reason for my vote, compromise might yield best results.

    The circle in the lower left corner of the unit card in conjunction with a unit type symbol could be the first way to discern units:
    - A silver fleur-de-lis on red for instance would tell us that the unit is an elite French unit.
    - A bronze crown on red would tell us that this is a British standard unit.
    - A silver grenade on blue would tell us that the unit is a foreign grenadier unit, and so forth.

    Using the third type unit card as a base, one could also give the ground background a slight hue:
    - A slight reddish hue for basic units
    - A slight greenish hue for light units
    - A slight blue hue for foreign units.

    This way might make it easier to discern troops from eachother, but it won't be as bold as the No. 1 type unit card.

    Edit:
    To illustrate my point and my awesome skills with MS Paint:
    Last edited by ErikBerg; April 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    A unit type symbol will be add to the small icon in the lower left corner.
    Unit type symbol are already define, I will try to post them later if I can, I'm actually too much busy.

    I'm not sure that only relying on the small icon background color will be enough to quickly identify a unit during battle.

    The different frames are used to represent the unit's level (guard / elite / normal / militia).
    I prefer the new frame, as they are larger, it is easier to see if it is a wood or a bronze frame.


    The other reason why I prefer to use the new icons is because N.P.G (New Prussian Gloria) use it so, we will not have to rework them when Prussian units will be add to I.S.
    I spend nearly a weekend to create them... I don't want to do it twice...
    Last edited by wangrin; April 18, 2012 at 03:18 PM.


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    I see the point about Colored background helping in quickly distinguishing between unit types, but why distinguish between line infantry and foreign line infantry.

    Colors for Line, Light, Cavalry, and Artillery would make more sense would it not? Having red for Line and Cavalry will still force someone to look closely at the unit card to see what they are selecting. The frame highlights whether they are elite or not

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    The frames are fine and allow for easy telling whether a unit is militia/regular/elite, which is good. I do still feel that the background colour should be a little bit fainter than it is, for both IS and NPG.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whaler99 View Post
    I see the point about Colored background helping in quickly distinguishing between unit types, but why distinguish between line infantry and foreign line infantry.

    Colors for Line, Light, Cavalry, and Artillery would make more sense would it not? Having red for Line and Cavalry will still force someone to look closely at the unit card to see what they are selecting. The frame highlights whether they are elite or not
    I have to agree here as I don't see the need to distinguish between domestic and foreign units unless you plan to add a substantial statistical difference between the two. I welcome separate colors for unit types for the sake of ease of use and general uniqueness of the mod.

    In case the above is too much work at the moment, I voted for #3 as the grey background helps bring the player's focus to the soldier faster and the border easily identifies the unit's quality with little effort on the player's part.

    I'm currently making use of T2H in my IS campaign and having my attention drawn immediately to the soldier on the card is helping a lot with split decisions. I do my best not to pause so I tend to make a lot of those.


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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    In agreement with what's been said earlier; I don't see the need for the red/green/blue identification. Why is it so important to quickly distinguish between foreign and regular units? Also, the green seems a little redundant for infantry at least; I can tell they're light troops by their stance. The same goes for the milliia units which makes the wooden frame reduntant. On the subject of the frames, they take up a bit much room and the unit ends up smaller in the picture, thus making identification a bit trickier (e.g. Vieux and Petis Vieux for the early era).

    I believe the best solution may be a blend of several suggestions, here is what I propose:
    - Use the second option as a base.
    - Add symbols to denote unit's role (Line, Grenadier, Light Cav etc), preferably in another circle as with the first and third options.
    - Now, keeping the same texture, subtly shade the background grey, bronze, silver or gold for millitia, regular, elite and guard respectively.
    - No big ugly frames.
    This way we can quickly ascertain the units role and abilty with a quick glance without obscuring or detracting from the image of the unit itself.

    Edit: I've made an example below!
    Last edited by Y Brenin; April 18, 2012 at 03:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Unit type (siege artillery, field artillery, horse artillery, cuirassiers, heavy cavalry, light cavalry, dragoons, etc.) will be characterized by their small icon (lower left corner).
    Unit class (guard, elite, line, militia) will be characterized by the frame color (gold, silver, bronze, wood).
    Unit main category (line, auxilaries (light troops such as chasseurs de Fischer)) will be characterized by background color.

    About "Main categories", I think we should have, at least line (regular) and auxiliaries.

    About frame, the new one use a mid-XVIIIth century frame.

    EDIT : We can not move the small icon in the upper right because it is masked when unit gain experience.

    EDIT : New Prussian Gloria Icons
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    Last edited by wangrin; April 18, 2012 at 03:41 PM.


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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    Unit main category (line, auxilaries (light troops such as chasseurs de Fischer)) will be characterized by background color.

    About "Main categories", I think we should have, at least line (regular) and auxiliaries.
    Out of interest, why do we need this? Surely the icon would tell us that. Is IS planning some major differences between the two categories?

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Yep there are great difference, you can use Light Infantry as you use a line infantry, whatever you will have bad surprises.

    We have also other project for background, like for a new kind of units the sapeurs, the foreign infantry, the marines, each kind of unit will have its own interest. I think it is a good way so as to differentiate it.

    On the point of differentiation I think the problem is not on late period, because every uniform are now specialised, but get a look on the early units:





    Can you make the difference between the line, the grenadier and the Elite Regiment? That is why we chose the colour system.

    Anyway, to release each unit card, it takes me 3 hours, being in exam period I can not lose 3 other hours so as to release the same stuff, if you want the previous ones you will have to wait for the final release.

    Thank you for the debate anyway, I see that you are waiting the best for IS.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    "Main category" is different from unit type and can not be easily represent using the small icons.
    And yes, regular and auxiliaries will have different stats and abilities.

    If I've wrote what and how we characterize unit, it's not for nothing.
    An icon is not only a pretty 2D art, its first task is to give clearly information about the unit it represent.


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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    I've made an example of what I meant in previous post with french early line units.



    Not perfect but it was just a five minute mash up. If auxiliaries are of low quality, they could share grey background with milltia. The stance shows what they are. I understand your time concerns, as such I may make my own set of unit cards and release them as a submod if people are willing.
    Last edited by Y Brenin; April 18, 2012 at 03:58 PM.

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    Default Re: Which icons should we use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Y Brenin View Post
    I've made an example of what I meant in previous post with french early line units.



    Not perfect but it was just a five minute mash up. If auxiliaries are of low quality, they could share grey background with milltia. The stance shows what they are. I understand your time concerns, as such I may make my own set of unit cards and release them as a submod if people are willing.
    Yep a submod would be a good idea. I could send you the "ground background".

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