In Australia we celebrate our nation on Australia Day.
I don't mind people getting toasted and having fun then, but it makes me angry when people do it on ANZAC day.
"My God, I wish we had the 9th Australian Division with us this morning."
- - Major-General Francis de Guingaund, Chief of Staff, Allied Land-Forces Headquarters Europe, D-Day, 1944
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. Some of us may forget that, of all the allies, it was the Australians who first broke the invincibility of the Japanese army."
— Field Marshal Sir William Slim.
God bless the lost soldiers of ANZAC. I may be an American,but I know how close our three countries are and even if the motives for which your(and eventually our) soldiers,died were perhaps questionable they did so for there country and as there duty. In thanks to our alliance with you and the other Commonwealth states I commend the memory of the Australia and New Zealand Army Corps. Long live ANZUS,the United States, Australia,and New Zealand! God bless.
"Sing to the LORD a new song;sing to the LORD, all the earth."-Psalm 96:1
"A true man hates no one."-Napoleon Bonaparte
RIP the fallen at Gallipoli (Gelibolu, Çanakkale) from both sides.
It is very curious that Gallipoli wars (including naval wars) caused the both births of nation of Turks from Ottoman Empire and Australians from British Empire. At least that war gave the notion of nationhood to mentioned folks.
We Turks, as a warlike people, do respect a few enemies' soldiers. Diggers earned our respect as very good, brave, component and "fair" warriors at the sands and hills of Gelibolu soil, in a war which was not theirs.
In tribute to concerned friends:
- You know nothing Jon Snow.
"...the gang rapists apprehended in india have more rights to speak here than turks" -ash874
Samples from the Turkish Cuisine by white-wolf
Australia's losses were to the tune of 1.38% of the population while New Zealand's was 1.64%. Hardly 'appalling' compared to the sacrifices made by Romania, Serbia and the Ottomans (9.33%; 16.11%; 13.72%.), or indeed Britain, that 'stinking' empire you refer to. I don't know about New Zealand, but nobody forced Australians to go fight in the first two years of the war. They went because they wanted to.For Australia and New Zealand, WWI and the appalling losses both countries suffered relative to our populations are remembered not only for that reason, but also because it was in fact the true beginning of our sense of nationhood, and not simply being British colonies. Now, ANZAC day for us is a day to honour and remember all our war dead from the Boer War, to WWI and WWII, Korea, Vietnam and more recently Iraq and Afghanistan.
Last edited by Captain Hastings; April 27, 2012 at 06:22 AM.
I think the number of recent deaths do have an impact on the day. So yes it does matter to some whether their friends/family member(s) are dead or alive.Does it change the fact you're dead? Does it account for the pain and suffering you went through for them? No, you didn't die to get cried over. You died to ensure the freedom of your people and your country, and you want them to revel in it, if anything to celebrate your courage and sacrifice.
Unfortunatly there is a group that does celeberate the freedom from the wars on Anzac day, which is fine, but its in the mannor of getting drunk, gambling and commercially funded sports. Which completly go's against the idea of "Lest we forget". Half of the day has become more about the commercial tradition then following actuall meaning of the day.
'Happy' ANZAC Day?
I would have thought this day is anything but 'happy'
Lets give remembrance to the sacrifices of the 11,430 ANZAC volunteers who died in the bloody and senseless violence of Gallipoli. But let us not also forget the deaths of the 32,662 British, Indian, Newfoundland and French soldiers who died there and who volunteered in the exact same manner as their ANZAC counterparts, and of course the 86,692 Ottomans. We can throw around accusations all day of evil British officers throwing away the lives of Australians and New Zealanders, but lets not forget the fact that many of the officers were themselves ANZACs and they were just as much to blame, and that all the men on the ground, regardless of nationality, were in the same boat.
Last edited by Azog 150; April 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM.
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It is a shame that in Australia the public has seemed to have forgeten the sacrifices that all men made in that campaign, no matter what part of the world they came from.
It's the one day in the year that it's not illegal. The laws were designed that way to allow people to do something that was an important pastime for the people the holiday is in recognition of. It's a clever little national identity trick to give people a link to the past so that there's continuity. That's why the concept of complaining about gambling being against the idea of 'lest we forget' is so wrong. It's practically the legal embodiment of the national creation myth.
Ah, that's what it is. Well, I don't really care what people do on the day. Just give me a dozen Anzac biscuits and I'm happy.
booooooooo my great great grandpa died because of you rascals. Next time a war happens, don't intervene based on your own interests. That's all you Brits do. D:<
Anyways happy memorial to my families enemies.
His highness, þeþurn I, Keng of Savomyr!
I think a better question is how can an entire nationality be your enemy for something a small number of political elites engaged in nearly one hundred years ago?
Frederich Barbarossa, I know its the TD and all, but this thread isn't the time nor place for such ridiculous and ignorant comments
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My personal opinion is that even if someone doesn't agree with a date that is dedicated to the respect of armed forces... someone else obviously does agree with it and you should show respect for that persons opinion. You never know if someone on here lost a loved one or their parents lost a loved one or whatever.
Anyway, i've always had massive amounts of respect for all of the various armed forces that served the commonwealth.
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