Not to an observer from outside your particular religion, one is based on reason and facts: Mohammad had access to western traders, western traders often had stories to tell about how great their culture is (no people is more guilty of this than the Greeks) and Greek culture developed many of the scientific "revelations" claimed in the Koran. On the other hand the other proposal is a suspension of natural law where information is magically given to a man by some kind of deity.
To an outsider there is no competition.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
I find it hard to believe that Supermarine here would be arguing with good faith. He must be a Poe. No one can be that thick.
He's a superTechmarine, massive difference.
For those who don't know what a poe is: a poe is like a troll, while a troll is obvious a poe takes on the persona of a fundamentalist group to make fun of them and are thus very very hard to spot. It's a name I think is unfair in this instance: it could be a language issue.
(I've never met an idiot who likes warhammer)
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
-Betrand Russell
"Sebaceans once had a god called Djancaz-Bru. Six worlds prayed to her. They built her temples, conquered planets. And yet one day she rose up and destroyed all six worlds. And when the last warrior was dying, he said, 'We gave you everything, why did you destroy us?' And she looked down upon him and she whispered, 'Because I can.' "
Mangalore Design
Thick? You underestimate me.
"Not to an observer from outside your particular religion, one is based on reason and facts: Mohammad had access to western traders, western traders often had stories to tell about how great their culture is (no people is more guilty of this than the Greeks) and Greek culture developed many of the scientific "revelations" claimed in the Koran. On the other hand the other proposal is a suspension of natural law where information is magically given to a man by some kind of deity.
To an outsider there is no competition."-Himster
Did Greeks really know of the Big Bang or are you just pulling that out of your ? (No offense intended)
Last edited by SuperTechmarine; September 07, 2012 at 03:20 PM.
You have never met an idiot who likes Warhammer? Including 40k? Go to forums.spacebattles.com. You'll meet them there. The only difference to this place is that there you get called on your . Compared to this this is tame.
But this is not so much an "echo chamber". And for that TWC is my home, even though I skirt the ban everyonce and a while.
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I would suspect that after your regious compatriots, just like it happened with Christianity, was that after they were exposed to more civilized thought they then took what they wanted and called it "their own". Isn't that what the Church Fathers did so that Greek Philosophy conforms with Christianity?
I am sharing these two videos as food for thought. Hopefully it will enable us to see this discussion from another angle.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
"The Jews of the United States brought the United States into the first World War, and if you tow our line over Palestine and the Jew army there, we can persuade the Jews of the United States to drag the United States into it again this time."
--Chaim Weizmann, Co-founder of Zionism, letter to Winston Churchill, PM Great Britain (David Irving)
Watched the second video. I forgot that the only evidence for evolution that we kinda look like monkeys. And the theory of evolution says nothing about god. And we didn't come from monkeys. I'm not going to watch the first one because I bet it blames evolution/atheists for Hitler.
There's no evidence Hitler was inspired by evolution, he even tried to ban books on it.
OK I watched the first video, couldn't resist. He doesn't like the idea that an evil man like Hitler gets no punishment after death if there's no heaven and hell and the same happens to everyone. Choosing what to believe based on what he'd rather happen, not what the evidence points to. I hate this sort of thinking.
I think what's more important is that he had absolutely no understanding of it. Evolution doesn't work on the scale of large groups as Hitler tried to apply it. It works on the scale of individuals, or, to be more accurate, individual genes. Regardless of whether or not he thought he loved darwinistic evolution, his actions were entirely irrelevant to it.
How long have you been studying it?
"The Jews of the United States brought the United States into the first World War, and if you tow our line over Palestine and the Jew army there, we can persuade the Jews of the United States to drag the United States into it again this time."
--Chaim Weizmann, Co-founder of Zionism, letter to Winston Churchill, PM Great Britain (David Irving)