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    Oh wow, that thing was innovative.

    I feel I am at an unfair advantage with some of these, I get taught this stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkhorse View Post
    I feel I am at an unfair advantage with some of these,...
    I never felt that you've an unfair advantage over me.

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    Correct, +rep and your turn.
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    New picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    New picture.
    Is it a captured Russian gun? A 52-K? The wheels look like they're off an FH-18 with the trail removed. Or something

    Am I on the right track?

    (Edit; I guess it doesn't have to be a captured piece just because it has German wheels...)
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    Looks to me it was designed to be mounted on something, the 15cm Infantry gun kept most of its carriage including the wheels when fitted to the PzI chassis. So perhaps this is the 105mm gun from the Wespe?

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    The one I'm thinking of was an AA gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicknero View Post
    Is it a captured Russian gun? A 52-K? The wheels look like they're off an FH-18 with the trail removed. Or something

    Am I on the right track?

    (Edit; I guess it doesn't have to be a captured piece just because it has German wheels...)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkhorse View Post
    Looks to me it was designed to be mounted on something, the 15cm Infantry gun kept most of its carriage including the wheels when fitted to the PzI chassis. So perhaps this is the 105mm gun from the Wespe?
    Captured Russian Gun is correct, AA gun is correct. It may look like a German gun because the design was based on a German gun. All mentioned calibers are wrong. Not a 85mm, 105mm or 150mm gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    Captured Russian Gun is correct, AA gun is correct. It may look like a German gun because the design was based on a German gun. All mentioned calibers are wrong. Not a 85mm, 105mm or 150mm gun.
    76.2mm?
    I think i've seen a picture of one before. Used in the Winter War by the Finnish? I could be mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade_Rory View Post
    76.2mm?
    I think i've seen a picture of one before. Used in the Winter War by the Finnish? I could be mistaken.
    76.2mm is correct, but I still need the name of this gun. Used by the Finnish iirc but not sure if it was used in the Winter War or in WW-II after they had captured them from the Soviets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    76.2mm is correct, but I still need the name of this gun. Used by the Finnish iirc but not sure if it was used in the Winter War or in WW-II after they had captured them from the Soviets.

    Erm erm erm....

    Oh god, i don't know. All the 76mm AA guns of the Winter War looked practically the same
    Was it something like 76 ItK? I've heard something like that before and it's the closest one i know of to a German sounding name but i don't know if it was actually German or a German copy.

    I think i'll have to leave this to the people more educated in Finnish military history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade_Rory View Post
    Erm erm erm....

    Oh god, i don't know. All the 76mm AA guns of the Winter War looked practically the same
    Was it something like 76 ItK? I've heard something like that before and it's the closest one i know of to a German sounding name but i don't know if it was actually German or a German copy.

    I think i'll have to leave this to the people more educated in Finnish military history.
    ItK designations are Finnish, not German. And the gun was originally Soviet.

    EDIT: I will accept the Russian, Finnish or German name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Red Knight View Post
    ItK designations are Finnish, not German. And the gun was originally Soviet.

    EDIT: I will accept the Russian, Finnish or German name.
    Fairly sure ... 76.2mm M1931, designated M31(r) by the Wehrmacht
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicknero View Post
    Fairly sure ... 76.2mm M1931, designated M31(r) by the Wehrmacht
    76.2mm M1931 is correct. 76 ItK/31 was the Finnish designation. Russian anti-aircraft gun based on a Rheinmetall-Borsig gun.

    76.2 mm Model 1931 Anti-Aircraft Gun

    The Model 1931 was one of the oldest types of anti-aircraft gun still in use in 1941, and like so many other guns of its period its design owed much to contemporary Vickers designs. It used a simple two-wheeled axle for transport and was fairly easy to handle and fire.

    In 1941 large numbers fell into German hands and many were sent back to the Reich to be used for home defence by auxiliary and Hitler Jugend units. These guns became the 7.62 cm Flak M.31(r) and were used until they either wore out or ran out of captured ammunition. A few were then rebored to take German 8.8 cm ammunition and the guns then became the 7.62/8.8 cm Flak M.31(r) but very few were converted and most were scrapped during 1944.

    Data

    Calibre: 76.2 mm (3 in)
    Length of Piece (L/55): 4,191 mm (165 in)
    Length of Rifling: 3,372.5 mm (132.775 in)
    Weight Travelling: 4,820 kg (10,628 lb)
    Weight in Action: 3,650 kg (8,048.25 lb)
    Elevation: - 2 to + 82 degrees
    Traverse: 2 x 360 degrees
    Muzzle Velocity: 813 m/sec (2,667 ft/sec)
    Maximum Ceiling: 9,300 m (30,500 ft)
    Shell Weight: 6.61 kg (14.575 lb)


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    New pic.

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    M-51I the Israel's version of the Sherman tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisG View Post
    M-51I the Israel's version of the Sherman tank
    Spot on Chris, didn't even mistake it for an M50

    Also known as the SuperSherman and ISherman (though not in Israel), served with Israeli forces for over 25 years I think. Apparently it stood up well in combat with more modern heavy Soviet armour too.

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    The F1 gun stood up to most things, from what I have read, only the L7 of the same 105mm calibre surpassed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisG View Post
    M-51I the Israel's version of the Sherman tank
    I'll be seeing one in two weeks.


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    Thanks! Here is another picture

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