Similarities and differences between Islam and Christianity

[TheSutekh]

Seth, are you serious with this sort of thing?

As serious as you make it to be.

Prove me wrong then. Back your claim up.

I already explained it to you. You're free to dismiss it. I'm giving you that right. I'm not gonna teach you grammar.

Because if you stick with Muslim expectations of what the Messiah is, and don't go outside of that box, you have trouble understanding something else.

Which exactly has no relevance to my knowledge of the role of Christ. I'm glad we're over this.

The verse about fulfilling the law you quoted yourself no?

No.

[Carpathian Wolf]

As serious as you make it to be.

Then not very since this has been a joke throughout albeit a poor one.

I already explained it to you. You're free to dismiss it. I'm giving you that right. I'm not gonna teach you grammar.

That would be like the blind leading the seeing. So I guess you can't back up your claim. Your explanation didn't address anything I wrote and all it did was simply show staggering contempt for grammar. Perhaps one could use some grammar and comprehend that.

Which exactly has no relevance to my knowledge of the role of Christ. I'm glad we're over this.

Then you should be able to explain it.

No.

Yes, Christ says that he is there to fulfill the law, not abolish it. That's referring to the sacrifice.

[TheSutekh]

That would be like the blind leading the seeing. So I guess you can't back up your claim. Your explanation didn't address anything I wrote and all it did was simply show staggering contempt for grammar. Perhaps one could use some grammar and comprehend that.

As I said, I'm gonna let this one go. Just don't repeat your mistake again.

Then you should be able to explain it.

Whether I should be able to explain it has no relevance to it.

Yes, Christ says that he is there to fulfill the law, not abolish it. That's referring to the sacrifice.

And you should be able to provide verses saying that Jesus fulfilled the law through his acts and that his "sacrifice" concluded all the things that took place as told in Matthews 5:17.

[Carpathian Wolf]

As I said, I'm gonna let this one go. Just don't repeat your mistake again.

Oh no! Better listen or else. There was nothing grammatically wrong in what I had written and you have no proof to show other wise.

Whether I should be able to explain it has no relevance to it.

You seem fond of making claims you can't back up.

And you should be able to provide verses saying that Jesus fulfilled the law through his acts and that his "sacrifice" concluded all the things that took place as told in Matthews 5:17.

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles7/AndrewsLaw.php

http://www.antiochian.org/content/fu...-true-follower

http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute...hteousness.htm

So you have to understand scripture and the relationship of things in order to understand. If you want to have little internet e peen competitions, i'm not going to do that. If you want to educate yourself, we can work on that together as we both have things to learn. Your choice.

[TheSutekh]

Oh no! Better listen or else. There was nothing grammatically wrong in what I had written and you have no proof to show other wise.

There was.

You seem fond of making claims you can't back up.

Not really.

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles7/AndrewsLaw.php

http://www.antiochian.org/content/fu...-true-follower

http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute...hteousness.htm

So you have to understand scripture and the relationship of things in order to understand. If you want to have little internet e peen competitions, i'm not going to do that. If you want to educate yourself, we can work on that together as we both have things to learn. Your choice.

So, you're not gonna provide passages from the scripture. Your funeral.

[Carpathian Wolf]

There was.

Proof?

Not really.

Answer the above and we'll see.

So, you're not gonna provide passages from the scripture. Your funeral.

Because there isn't just one verse. It's literally the entire point of the bible as an integral thing, and beyond that everything that goes along with it. Sorry it can't be simplified for you.

[TheSutekh]

Proof?

Proof lies here.

Answer the above and we'll see.

Not relevant.

Because there isn't just one verse. It's literally the entire point of the bible as an integral thing, and beyond that everything that goes along with it. Sorry it can't be simplified for you.

And I never asked for a single verse. You can't really opt out by saying that it's the whole Bible. As I said, your funeral.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Proof lies here.

Quote it.

And I never asked for a single verse. You can't really opt out by saying that it's the whole Bible. As I said, your funeral.

But it kind of is because you are asking a very widely encompassing question. You are asking, basically what Christ's role is visa vi humanity and our relationship with God. That's the implication of your question. I explained it to you but you are just looking for knit picking and internet goal scoring. You're not here to understand or learn something, you're simply doing what atheists do when they come with their rhetorical questions.

[boofhead]

Personally, I think Allah is Satan. He is not God in any way, shape or form. He is a Magnificent Deceiver who has millions by the balls. Every time a muslim says we worship the same God I cringe. We do not. I do not worship the Arabic Ba'al and he does not worship the Christian or Jewish JHWH.

[Blaze86420]

Personally, I think Allah is Satan. He is not God in any way, shape or form. He is a Magnificent Deceiver who has millions by the balls. Every time a muslim says we worship the same God I cringe. We do not. I do not worship the Arabic Ba'al and he does not worship the Christian or Jewish JHWH.

Haha, in more than one way you remind me of Christians from the middle ages.

And no, there's no way you can spin that to make it a compliment.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Haha, in more than one way you remind me of Christians from the middle ages.

And no, there's no way you can spin that to make it a compliment.

Just curious, and i'm not trying to bother you, but how do you reason that what he said isn't actually the case?

[frozenprince]

Haha, in more than one way you remind me of Christians from the middle ages.

And no, there's no way you can spin that to make it a compliment.

It would be hilarious if he didn't ACTUALLY think that way.

[boofhead]

Haha, in more than one way you remind me of Christians from the middle ages.

And no, there's no way you can spin that to make it a compliment.

I made an effort to be polite.

That is my honest belief. And that is the view of most Christians I know. Every time a muslim says this to a Christian the Christian will frown inwardly.

You see muslims don't have a Redeemer. They are the same as Jews, all law and no heart. An empty religion dominated by worldly rituals. What a waste of so many potential greats.

[boofhead]

If I can explain myself more fully.

The Bible warns against false prophets (Fred Phelps go away)

It also states that Arabs are stubborn fellows like donkeys.

Now that may seem racist but it isn't, it's culturalist. There are many Lebanese Christians for example. The Lebanese Christian community in Australia are beautiful people and nobody doubts their contribution to our shared community.

Religion without a Redeemer is like building a car out of nuts, bolts and crankshafts, and it works, but there is no beauty it is ugly as sin.

May I say I have seen a video of muslim warriors singing a nashid or whatever and it very much touched me emotionally.

In fact it touched me very deeply. This does not mean we share the same God, it means we share the same physiology.

[basics]

" Haha, in more than one way you remind me of Christians from the middle ages. And no, there's no way you can spin that to make it a compliment."

Blaze86420,

The problem isn't the middle ages. It goes right back to the days when infiltrators got into the church brought into being by the Apostles and changed whatever they could, something that the Apostles warned continually of. Their call then was to be obedient to the Word begging that they remember who it was that saved them and, that will always be the call to regenerate men and women.

Boofhead I believe is more of a compliment to these times if only because in his own way he speaks truth when it's needed to be spoken. But look at it from an earlier angle, when Jesus Himself said to the Adversary, " Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that cometh out of the mouth of God." Every word note. So where is it? The Old Scriptures as then including the New Scriptures as now is that word.

What we have today is a plethora of systems for which the word has no more meaning than fly in the sky. They have added and subtracted what their own itchy ears want to hear showing no regard for obedience to the word. Every word that Jesus talked of has been cast aside in the same manner that Eve was persuaded of at the beginning. Old chap, God doesn't really mean this or that. Is He not a loving God that forgives anything? Don't worry, you just take your cue from your priest and all will be well.

Well Islam takes its cue from its priest and where does it get them? Promises of this and that but only if God is merciful. It relies on after death that mercy is given but how can that be so? No-one can enter heaven with sin. Sin has to be paid for before death, not at or after. To enter heaven one must be spotless of sin and this is where Islam falls down. Oh, they are quite sincere in their beliefs, just like the Jews, but like the Jews they are quite wrong especially when it comes to every word from out of the mouth of God.

[TheSutekh]

Quote it.

Part C.

But it kind of is because you are asking a very widely encompassing question. You are asking, basically what Christ's role is visa vi humanity and our relationship with God. That's the implication of your question. I explained it to you but you are just looking for knit picking and internet goal scoring. You're not here to understand or learn something, you're simply doing what atheists do when they come with their rhetorical questions.

Not really. We're talking about a very fundamental idea of Christianity. You should be able to explain the connections you made by showing relevant verses. You seem to be dragging your heels.

[Hakkapeliitta]

Personally, I think Allah is Satan. He is not God in any way, shape or form. He is a Magnificent Deceiver who has millions by the balls. Every time a muslim says we worship the same God I cringe. We do not. I do not worship the Arabic Ba'al and he does not worship the Christian or Jewish JHWH.

Of course, it would be perfectly possible and consistent with the Old Testament that God told his right hand man Satan to try the faith of His Chosen People, and Satan formulated a new religion that said: "forget about all the pesky laws of your God and just accept a one final sacrifice made on your behalf and you'll have fulfilled the will of God and get to go to Heaven". And Jews mostly passed the test, and that that religion was taken up by gentiles was just unintended result, an afterthought if you will.

And anyway, as I've understood it is that Islam is supposed to bring the faith back on the right track, and it's fairly self-evident that Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Part C.

Quote the relevant parts for me, i'm behind on my University papers.

Not really. We're talking about a very fundamental idea of Christianity. You should be able to explain the connections you made by showing relevant verses. You seem to be dragging your heels.

Yes it is a fundamental idea, but just becomes it is fundamental doesn't mean it is simple.

[TheSutekh]

Quote the relevant parts for me, i'm behind on my University papers.

Yes it is a fundamental idea, but just becomes it is fundamental doesn't mean it is simple.

I think you should work on your University papers instead.

[Carpathian Wolf]

I think you should work on your University papers instead.

Me too, and you're a very caring person to want the best for me. But man I can't let go of this curiosity.

Your grammar corrections could make the difference between getting kicked off the Dean's list or not!