Mod for Medieval East Asia: The Mongol Invasion Total War

[Spike]

yup, I'll take care of them, their very differences with Indo-Malay and Champa units is mere hairstyle, so they can be put on the same models mostly

[kirush2]

yup, I'll take care of them, their very differences with Indo-Malay and Champa units is mere hairstyle, so they can be put on the same models mostly

Army Delhi was very different from the armies of South India. They were natives of Afghanistan and the Muslims. I can do them

[Spike]

yep, and I'll do the hindu army

[kirush2]

first korean units

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[Spike]

great
+rep

[nhinhonhinho]

Uhm guys can you post the roster first?

PS: Since i have no skill to made units myself so i'll write the roster then you will made them. OK?

[Shopperkimpy]

Burmese kingdom in that time was Pagan/Bagan Kingdom (sometime Empire)

Mural painting at Upali Thein (Pagan temple but renovated around 18 century)
http://www.photodharma.net/Myanmar/Upali/Upali.htm

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Buma historical film
"Sacrificial Heart"
http://www.asiapacificfilms.com/film...rificial-heart

http://youtu.be/c_o4b4n_wyc



Sukhothai is established around 123x

Kingdom of Lanna is established around 129x after King Mangrai annexed 3 city-states and kingdom (city of Payao, city of Ngon yang, Mon kingdom of Hariphunchai)
Mang rai fight off one Mongol invasion. Ming besieged Chieng San during the reign of Samfangkaen (1402-1441). Dai viet also attacked Lanna during Tilokaraja (1441-1487)

In 1215 the Thai state of Mogaung emerged in upper Burma; eight years later the powerful Shan state of Muong Nai was founded; and 1229 is the traditional date for the founding of the Thai Ahom kingdom of Assam. In 1238 two Thai chiefs defeated the Khmer commander at Sukhothai. Narapatisithu’s grandson Kyazwa (r. 1235-50) tried but failed to confiscate growing Buddhist wealth, and in 1249 he decreed strict punishments to reduce gang robberies. Kublai Khan’s conquest of Nanchao in 1253 stimulated more Thai campaigns. Thai leader Mangrai (1239-1317) conquered Mons and Khmers and built his capital at Chiang Mai, fighting off Mongols from the north. He is credited with a law code based on Buddhist principles.

http://www.san.beck.org/2-11-SoutheastAsia1800.html

[Pazu the Kitsune]

Well heres just a rough rough draft of what the unit roster for Sukhothai might look like at 1270:

-Peasant Levy (armed with swords, no armour)
-Spear Militia (armed with spears and shields, no armour)
-Sword Militia (armed with swords and shields, no armour)
-Swordsmen (swords, shields, light armour)
-Spearmen (Spears, shields, light armour, maybe 2 javelins)
-Pikemen (Pikes, light armour)
-Noble Swordsmen (Nobles with swords, shields and heavy armour)
-Royal Swordsmen (Royal troops armed with 2 swords and heavy armour, inspire nearby troops)
-Skirmishers (armed with javelins and shield, no armour)
-Archers (armed with bow and arrow, no armour)
-Hunters (armed with bow and arrow, no armour, good at hiding + good stamina)
-Mon Crossbowmen (armed with crossbow, no armour, good at hiding)
-Cavalry (armed with lance, sword and shield, no armour)
-Skirmisher Cavalry (armed with javelins, sword and shield, no armour)
-Elephants (armed with javelins)
-Elephant Archers (armed with bows)
-Heavy Elephants (armed with bows, covered in heavy armour)
-Seige Elephants (elephants with ballista on their back)
-Generals Bodyguard (armed with bows, covered in heavy armour, inspire nearby troops)
-Ballista
-Catapult

[kirush2]

Korean units:
1-Peasant Levy (armed with axe , no armour)
2-Peasant spearmen (armed with spear , no armour)
3-Spear Militia (armed with halebards, light armour)
4-Heavy Pikeman(armed with pike, heavy armour)
5-Swordsmen (swords, shields and heavy armour)
6-Archers (armed with bow and arrow, no armour)
7-Hrwang Archers (armed with bow and arrow, no armour, good at hiding +inspire nearby troops + good stamina)
8-Heavy Cavalry (armed with halebards, heavy armour)
9-Cavalry Archers (armed with bow and arrow, no armour, inspire nearby troops + good stamina)
10-Heavy Cavalry Archers (armed with bow and arrow, heavy armour )
11-Generals Bodyguard (armed with bows, heavy armour, inspire nearby troops)
12-Catapult (trebuchet)
13-Firelancers after 1377 (armed with rockets, light armour)
14-Mounted Firelancers after 1377 (armed with rockets, light armour)
15-Hwacha after 1409

[Spike]

I object if there was any gunpowders, before late 14th century there should be no gunpowders

[kirush2]

I object if there was any gunpowders, before late 14th century there should be no gunpowders

I pointed out the appearance of the units with firearms in accordance with historical reality.
Firelancers after 1377 (armed with rockets, light armour)
Mounted Firelancers after 1377 (armed with rockets, light armour)
Hwacha after 1409

[kirush2]

The Chinese gunpowder appeared in the middle of the 14th century

[Spike]

sure, but before it hit 15th century, they are only very rarely used

[nhinhonhinho]

I believe in Mongol-Song wars both sides used Gunpowder weapons like fire lance, flamer, bombs...

@Pazu: Burma/Pagan roster checked
@Kirush2: Sukhothai roster checked

Yuan/Mongol:
Strength: Unrivaled cavalry and archery
Weakness: Weak and few infantry units
_Mongol peasant: Militia, fur coat, fur hat, no protection, spear
_Mongol infantry: basic troop, fur+feather helmet, leather armor, fur coat, spear, composite bow, small round wooden shield
_Mongol heavy infantry: basic troop, iron helmet, heavy lamellar armor, fur coat, spear, small round shield
_Mongol Assault Infantry:basic troop, iron helmet, heavy lamellar armor, mace and big wooden rectangular shield
_Dismounted Archer: basic troop, fur hat, composite bow, scimitar, no armor
_Dismounted Heavy Archer: basic troop, heavy armor, mace, small round shield
_Dismounted Khan Guard: Elite troop, iron helmet with marks, heavy lamellar armor, small round iron shield, composite bow, scimitar
_Mounted Herdsman: Mounted militia, fur coat, no armor, spear
_Mongol Horse Archer: Cavalry wear fur hat, fur coat, composite bow, scimitar
_Stepped Cavalry: another version of Mongol horse archer
_Auxilia Cavalry: Light cavalry, no armor, small round wooden shield, javelin and axe
_Mongol Light Lancer: Light cavalry, light armor, spear, sword
_Mongol Noble Cavalry: Elite cavalry, heavy armor, composite bow, axe, round iron shield
_Mongol Heavy Horse Archer: Cavalry, backbone of Mongol hordes, lord of the steppe, massive number, composite bow, small round shield on the left hand, mace
_Mongol Heavy Lancer: Equip much like Heavy Horse Archer yet no bow, heavy lance, scimitar
_Mongol Heavy Cavalry: Super heavy cavalry, covered in armor, helmet, marks, armored horse, big lance and mace
_Khan Guard: Cataphract cavalry, carry bow, mace
_Dali Cavalry: Cataphract, lance, sword (different model than Mongol once)
_Mongol Thunder Bomber: light armor guys carry bombs
_Onager
_Western Trebuchet
_Mongol Rocket Launcher

Southern Song:
Strength: Numerous armored infantry, make use of gunpowder and high technology
Weakness: Lack of light troop and cavalry
_Chinese conscript: garrison troop, iron helmet, no armor, Chinese sword (the Dao)
_Chinese infantry: basic troop, iron helmet, light lamellar armor, Chinese spear (the Quiang)
_Chinese heavy infantry: basic troop, iron helmet, lamellar armor, Dao and round shield
_Song Royal Guard: elite troop, heavy armor, axe, large shield
_Chinese Scout: Light cavalry, no armor, Dao
_Chinese Medium Cavalry: Cavalry with light lamellar armor, Dao, round shield
_Chinese Horse Archer: Cavalry with composite bow, Dao, Light Armor
_Chinese Cataphract: Heavily armored cavalry, axe, long shield, lance
_Chinese Archer: bowmen, no armor, sword
_Song Royal Archer: elite troop, heavy armor, axe, composite bow
_Song Light Crossbowmen: Crossbow, no armor, sword
_Song Heavy Crossbowmen: Crossbow, heavy armor, sword
_Chukonu: Heavily armored crossbowmen, repeated crossbow
_Fire Lance trooper: Fire Lance (can be use as spear too), heavy armor
_Onager
_Ballistar


Dai Viet
Strength: Various versatile light infantry, strong elephants
Weakness: Lack of heavy armor, very poor cavalry

_Viet's Peasant: peasant armed with bamboo spear, bamboo javelin, no protection
_Viet's Townwatch: militia armed with simple crossbow, round wooden shield and machete
_Viet's Spearman: Trooper armed with spear, javelin, long oval shield, paper armor and bronze mirror
_Viet's Halberdier: Trooper armed with long halberd, leather armor
_Viet's Pikeman: Trooper armed with long pike and sword, paper armor and bronze mirror
_Viet's Marine: Marine with sword, oval shield and javelin
_Viet's Archer: Trooper armed with bamboo bow, paper armor
_Imperial Guard: elite troops, heavy armor, spear, sword, long shield
_Viet's Brave Trooper: elite troops consisted of criminals, scum... heavily armored, big blade
_Imperial Archer: Imperial Guard with composite bow
_Imperial Grenadier: Imperial Guard with bombs
_Viet's Cavalry: Light/Medium cavalry armed with, blade and light lance, leather armor, round wooden shield
_Viet's Heavy cavalry: Iron clad cavalry, round iron shield, armored horse (very rare)
_Mounted Guard: Elite cavalry (as well as Viet's bodyguard), heavily armored (no armor for horses though), composite bow and sword
_Viet's War Elephant: War Elephant, crew is Townwatch
_Imperial War Elephant: War Elephant, crew is Imperial Archer
_Onager
_Ballistar

[Spike]

I believe in Mongol-Song wars both sides used Gunpowder weapons like fire lance, flamer, bombs...

only proto-grenade used and clarified in the literature I'm affraid...

[nhinhonhinho]

But we can have some limit gunpowder toys aren't we!?

[Spike]

nope, in RTW, there's no unit limit available unless you dis-balance them by raising their recruitment turns.

[Pazu the Kitsune]

So, now you want me to do Bagan or Khmer unit roster? I can do either.....

By the way, quick rundown of strengths and weaknesses:

Sukhothai:
-Good elephants, brave elite infantry units, weak horse cavalry

Khmer:
-Good selection of light infantry units, some good elite infantry units, weak horse cavalry

Bagan:
-Excellent elephants, weak horse cavalry, weak low tier melee infantry, superior skirmisher/stealth infantry

[kirush2]

Does anyone know how to do or where to find the animation for the missile launchers of the Mongols, Koreans?

[nhinhonhinho]

The old Blue Lotus mod (not posted here) did have animation for several exotic things like fire lance, hwacha, repeated crossbow...

In case we can't find it then it's seem we will have to create news animation .Try to ask mister Soarin for it or do it ourselves