Debug cam and replays: hotfix coming

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Not enough, obviously.


But honestly, we shouldn't be so split on this issue. We're working for the same goal, after all.

[bushranger]

I think quite a number asked for it to be an option for all.

For years now.

[Sammi79]

I don`t Pause. I don`t use the radar map. Trees are a nightmare to fight in. Being caught in a tactical ambush is hard. One has to search and find the enemy. That`s how it should be. That`s what would attract me online...

The enemy having an Awacs aerial view won`t.

The debug camera screws all that for a Player like me if I chose to play Online. Fact is many others will choose to play online and be constantly beat without ever knowing why because of it.

Exactly how I feel. More people would play multiplayer were issues like this taken into account. How about server settings for full realism in matchmade? no debug cam/minimap/feedback/etc... that would be my preference.

[Huberto]

Just so I understand this. If you go to multiplayer, are you able to tell whether your opponent is using the debug cam or not?

[swoosh so]

Try using it guys and see if you win ratio jumps by some magic number im quite sure u will find it does not. Infact ill guarantee it totalwar is more about unit matchups army slection and a thoughtful approach to what your opponent presents.

[(Darkelf) Temper]

Just so I understand this. If you go to multiplayer, are you able to tell whether your opponent is using the debug cam or not?

No,but chances are if he/she is below 500 rank mark,then they're probably not and likely never heard of it and never even been to this forum.

[(Darkelf) Temper]

Try using it guys and see if you win ratio jumps by some magic number im quite sure u will find it does not. Infact ill guarantee it totalwar is more about unit matchups army slection and a thoughtful approach to what your opponent presents.

And to top off your fine selection of matchups army and thoughtfull approach,we'll throw in the debug cam for good measure !

No more guessing whats coming at ya from the other side of field while your busy elsewhere !

Let me know when I've caught up with or surpassed AggonyReckoners spammage on the subject

[Methoz]

And when you fix campaign crashes with original games?
i'm not yet played FotS,but everywhere are many post about crashes in campaign

[KittySN]

If you have an position, there's an official poll at TW.com:

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...debug-cam-poll

[WarnerVH]

The debug cam is one of the most essential and most powerful feature for all of us who create video content for this series. Some of the most spectacular video "movie shorts" would not have been possible without it. To remove it at this point in the total war series would be a huge slap in the face to the modding community and the video media community in general. I'm glad and happy they decided to give the cam back to us. If they truly want to do something good about the cam then simply create a new option or box when creating a multiplayer game where the host can enable or disable it as he seems fit before the game starts. Thus putting all on equal footing?

Cheers!

[Pharun]

And when you fix campaign crashes with original games?
i'm not yet played FotS,but everywhere are many post about crashes in campaign

Methoz is right . I can see talks about the game camera but there is no pressure on CA about a patch allowing to play new Shogun after the fix Me and other gamers after the new 5 gb fix cannot play properly the Fall of Samurai because of the crashing to desktop and the tsunami bug in single player. I bought the game one week ago and still cannot play it. Didnt had those issues earlier like other gamers. I fell robbed

[SuicideNooch]

I fell robbed

How dare you! There are like 30 players who are super popular (crickets...) that need a debug camera more than other players need a working game.

[muy]

So, we’ve decided that the best solution is to re-enable this camera, and will be doing that in a hotfix released shortly (likely in the next couple of days).

omg, such a bad move. can't believe CA gave in to these whines from people who need to 'fix' the game and fiddle with game files to their advantage to achieve a competitive advantage in multi player environment.

what a bad statement to make.

what's next ? no longer condoning any form or hack or cheat ?

[(Darkelf) Temper]

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...debug-cam-poll

Well the Official forum also made a poll linked for everyones perusal.

If you want to vote you better hurry,can't guarantee how long it will be up for.

[bushranger]

Well I hope the door won't hit them on the way out,that would be upsetting.

lol like small children...I'm taken my toys and goin home ! Waaagh

Are you talking about all the guys who play the tournaments and have been for years?
CA should listen to the kids who will get bored after 3 months of MP and go off to play another game?
When CA stop listening to there best long time players and to the kids who were to stupid to figure out there was a debug cam in the game then the MP will become a joke.
There is alot of guys who persisted with TW MP,made vids and made it popular enough for CA think it was worth while to give it extra attention in STW2.

You dont like the debug cam,fair enough but dont bring down the guys who have been using it for years because you could not figure out how to use it earlier.

[(Darkelf) Temper]

Are you talking about all the guys who play the tournaments and have been for years?
CA should listen to the kids who will get bored after 3 months of MP and go off to play another game?
When CA stop listening to there best long time players and to the kids who were to stupid to figure out there was a debug cam in the game then the MP will become a joke.
There is alot of guys who persisted with TW MP,made vids and made it popular enough for CA think it was worth while to give it extra attention in STW2.

You dont like the debug cam,fair enough but dont bring down the guys who have been using it for years because you could not figure out how to use it earlier.

Which amounts to me now saying Orlly ?

Wasn't keen on it in STW1 still not keen on it.Just so you know there have also been guys not using it for years as well.

It's in game again now and like I said I want it as an in game menu option and refined now it's endorsed by CA.

You trying to tell me the MP community payed for the TW title to get where it is ?
Telling me the MP community is currently where the cash cow is for CA ?
You tellin me the avatar campaign isn't already a joke ?
CA made their decision years ago what direction Total War was going in favor of and that was singleplayer.

And the guys with the highest number vids watched,don't use it lol.Don't take my word for it,go have a look.Check there subs bro.

Don't want to sound as if I'm harsh on the side of the peeps who want it back side of the fence,I've also been harsh to the other side of the fence as well that don't want it back.

There has been some pretty tall tales and exaggerations and some downright nasty stuff going on,some of it behind doors not open to public view.What you see is only on the surface.

I would suggest that if you think the few people that actually are influencing the outcome of this want this back for purposes of benefiting the entire MP community,then you may want to scratch a bit deeper,because the 60/40 vote in favor is hardly a game changing number no matter which side it favors,I'd be kinda mad knowing that my vote in favor of it didn't mean anything because it was going to end this way regardless.

The cam is back,yet I see no petitions on improving it or putting it in the options menu,just the same names putting a whole lot of effort into arguing about it.

Sorry man,but if you think I'm the enemy,oh well.

You presume I could not find out how to use earlier,maybe I found quite some time ago.

[muy]

You dont like the debug cam,fair enough but dont bring down the guys who have been using it for years because you could not figure out how to use it earlier.

don't bring down cheaters who have been cheating for years because you could not figure out how to cheat yourself. that's your statement ?

[bushranger]

Which amounts to me now saying Orlly ?

Wasn't keen on it in STW1 still not keen on it.Just so you know there have also been guys not using it for years as well.

It's in game again now and like I said I want it as an in game menu option and refined now it's endorsed by CA.

You trying to tell me the MP community payed for the TW title to get where it is ?
Telling me the MP community is currently where the cash cow is for CA ?
You tellin me the avatar campaign isn't already a joke ?
CA made their decision years ago what direction Total War was going in favor of and that was singleplayer.

And the guys with the highest number vids watched,don't use it lol.Don't take my word for it,go have a look.Check there subs bro.

Don't want to sound as if I'm harsh on the side of the peeps who want it back side of the fence,I've also been harsh to the other side of the fence as well that don't want it back.

There has been some pretty tall tales and exaggerations and some downright nasty stuff going on,some of it behind doors not open to public view.What you see is only on the surface.

I would suggest that if you think the few people that actually are influencing the outcome of this want this back for purposes of benefiting the entire MP community,then you may want to scratch a bit deeper.

The cam is back,yet I see no petitions on improving it or putting it in the options menu,just the same names putting a whole lot of effort into arguing about it.

Sorry man,but if you think I'm the enemy,oh well.

You presume I could not find out how to use earlier,maybe I found quite some time ago.

Well you might have figured it out but i think most who are arguing against it are just sore because they didn't figure out something most people did.

STW2 MP was a massive leap forward from there last games and i think its because they had a strong core of users(most of which use debug cam)over many years who promoted TW MP.

The youtube commentators you speak of i have never seen.The ones i watch to see good competitive TW MP all use it.

Every body wants it as a menu feature and hopefully in the next TW game there will be but dont get rid of the showcase players because you think debug cam is some sort of massive advantage(it is not)

Arnt you a TW MP melee player anyway?why on earth would you need a debug cam for that.

[(Darkelf) Temper]

don't bring down cheaters who have been cheating for years because you could not figure out how to cheat yourself. that's your statement ?

No they weren't cheating,they were just using a preference in the preference script available to all,but known by few.

CA never took the initiative to say yay or nay until now and that's why all the debate.Now CA says it's alright and it is because it's their game and they make the rules,not us.

Simple really.

Well you might have figured it out but i think most who are arguing against it are just sore because they didn't figure out something most people did.

STW2 MP was a massive leap forward from there last games and i think its because they had a strong core of users(most of which use debug cam)over many years who promoted TW MP.

The youtube commentators you speak of i have never seen.The ones i watch to see good competitive TW MP all use it.

Every body wants it as a menu feature and hopefully in the next TW game there will be but dont get rid of the showcase players because you think debug cam is some sort of massive advantage(it is not)

Arnt you a TW MP melee player anyway?why on earth would you need a debug cam for that.

Because not all melee players rush their whole army into one spot for the blob,but I never used it for keeps anyway,just dabbled,I like dabbling/testing things,I spend more time testing than playing. =)

Besides I havn't always been a melee spammer,Avatar campaign balance decisions and my stubborness to stick with a melee general no matter how bad he is turned me into one.

Yes Shogy2 MP avatar campaign was a great step forward and a great concept I agree wholeheartedly,it was just poorly implemented.

And I agree that the cam won't win you a match all on it's own.

[AMP]

Some complaining about the debug cam, yet even if it was in the options it'd have to be right under their nose for them to find it. Can't tell you the amount of people that didn't know about the unit info and that's in your options, lol. And the amount of people that don't take the time to think of what skills work best. I've see plenty of poor upgrades on units that's just a waste of funds, yet they'll complain about being at a disadvantage when their lack of understanding what works hurts them alot more than someone using the debug cam against them...