Hayeren! (Armenian)

[Lord William]

That's an idea we all should follow this idea and block all turkish products. I'm with you Lord William.

Thank you Unger Karo perhaps you can bring this up in your next Tashnag joghov

[Sarkiss]

yes voroshadzem vor hayer betga turkagan abrank charnal, i would encourge you all to do the same, if you can get your friends to do as well

i know it hard cause lot of products come from there but we must do our best

parza. buyts menq urish aprank chun enk menak turkakan qak na lig

[Lord William]

parza. buyts menq urish aprank chun enk menak turkakan qak na lig

My Friend you can always find alternatives, but they might not be as cheap

[Companion Cavalry]

hmm, I'm from neighbouring Georgia and from what I've read it was this proto

Georgian-Armenian empire that survived all those ages and then was split a few

hundred years ago but hey I'm not one to debate, I don't know Armenian but I

know Georgian

[Drtad]

hmm, I'm from neighbouring Georgia and from what I've read it was this proto

Georgian-Armenian empire that survived all those ages and then was split a few

hundred years ago but hey I'm not one to debate, I don't know Armenian but I

know Georgian

Not really, Armenia and Georgia have always been seperate countries, but have always been brothers against foreign incursions (especially Muslim).

[karo]

Thank you Unger Karo perhaps you can bring this up in your next Tashnag joghov

Ap jan sorry but unfortunatly I'm not a member of the Tashnags jet. Where I live there are no Dashnags. But I'll join them when i move to Hayastan. And Sarkis axhpers don't feel bad I know what it is like in Armenia, there is notting diffrent there but the rest of us who live outside Hayastan should block Turkish products.

@starXdiaMoo welcome my Greek brother it's good to see some one who has the same feelings gfor the turks like me

[John I Tzimisces]

I don't see why someone should join the Tashnagtsagan unless they happened to have compatible political beliefs. Like being Socialist (Tashnagtsagan is a member of Socialist Internationale). It's annoying how some people feel the only way for the Armenians in the caucasus to be united under one flag is though this political party (because, guess what, that's all it is), that in truth has caused more division amongst Armenians than brought them together.

[karo]

That's what democracy is, parties representing all diffrent kind of layers of the population. And I believe Dashnakner have done many good things to us Armenians. They were the first in Artaskh and they will be the first who will fight in a next war. who else will fight, I mean political parties from the diasporas non of them were in Artsakh. Only the Dasnaks were there and indaviduals from the diaspora.

[John I Tzimisces]

That's what democracy is, parties representing all diffrent kind of layers of the population. And I believe Dashnakner have done many good things to us Armenians. They were the first in Artaskh and they will be the first who will fight in a next war. who else will fight, I mean political parties from the diasporas non of them were in Artsakh. Only the Dasnaks were there and indaviduals from the diaspora.

You do realize this is a party that supports the completely unrealistic borders of armenia known as Wilsonian Armenia, a reality that would have turned armenia into the Yugoslavia of the Caucasus even when Armenians lived in large numbers in east anatolia?
The only territorial demands that this party has that make any sense at all are Javakhk and Artsakh, considering they are Armenian majority and the Armenians living in these regions were/are not content with their current governments (so it seems in Javakhk, I've only really read a little about that).

On top of that, consider there really ARE no other major political parties in the diaspora. The dashnaks are huge compared to anyone else, because of their tight involvement with the Holy See of Cilicia and the prelacy in the United States (which, by the way, is the most ridiculous thing to have ever happened ever).

(I look at a map of the Treaty of Sevres and kinda wonder why Italy, a country that more or less accomplished jack squat during the war, gets such a massive chunk of Anatolia...)

[Drtad]

You do realize this is a party that supports the completely unrealistic borders of armenia known as Wilsonian Armenia, a reality that would have turned armenia into the Yugoslavia of the Caucasus even when Armenians lived in large numbers in east anatolia?
The only territorial demands that this party has that make any sense at all are Javakhk and Artsakh, considering they are Armenian majority and the Armenians living in these regions were/are not content with their current governments (so it seems in Javakhk, I've only really read a little about that).

I agree with you whole heartedly, being a descendant of the persecuted Andranik. The Dashnaks caused the fall of Armenia, and only now are doing some good (not looking at some of their radical claims like Wilsonian Armenia).

On top of that, consider there really ARE no other major political parties in the diaspora. The dashnaks are huge compared to anyone else, because of their tight involvement with the Holy See of Cilicia and the prelacy in the United States (which, by the way, is the most ridiculous thing to have ever happened ever).

Indeed, however I am sort of lucky where I live (SF). Here there is one Armenian church operated by the Cilicians at Antilias, Lebanon, and there is one church which is operated by the Catholicos of Echmiadzin. I go to the Echmiadzin church every Sunday, but the school which I went to was completely Dashnak and was owned by the Dashnak church. They advocated outright blind hatred of Turks and even said Andranik was a Dashnak hero (was a hero, but was not a Dashnak for sure). Now their radicalism has made some enemies, because at the Armenian Genocide monument where I live (a very large stone cross on a prominent mountain), somebody stole the 5 ton plaque which had the writing which dedicated the cross to the Genocide victims. Really terrible stuff going on here... Anyway, I digress.

(I look at a map of the Treaty of Sevres and kinda wonder why Italy, a country that more or less accomplished jack squat during the war, gets such a massive chunk of Anatolia...)

I believe it was because they sort of knocked out the Austrians completely at the Battle of Vittorio Veneto, and sacrificed quite a few men (650,000 I believe) during the whole war. Since they did not get much of Austria, I suppose part of Anatolia was bequethed to them as compensation? (speculation of course)

[karo]

Andranik was a true Hay hero, but the final years of his carrier he went breserk and handeled against the wil of the country. And why is it so weird to want our lands back. If they go an fight there I'm ready to fight next to them. And Why is it wrong to hate the Turks, it was their ancestors who hated my ancestors because they were Armenian and christain. qunem sag turkeri lav@.

Edit: here are two awsome videos I found on Youtube

[Lord William]

It is not unrealistc to ask for our lands back which they stole from us, secondly tashnags have done more to help armenian people than any other organization has!!!!!


Karo: I admire your Courage and i hope many others take your example

[Drtad]

Andranik was a true Hay hero, but the final years of his carrier he went breserk and handeled against the will of the country.

I believe I posted some documents a while ago in the Andranik thread which showed what the Dashnaks were doing to the country. Andranik did not go berserk, he threatened to attack Yerevan because the government was attacking his army! (Dro was attacking Andranik's army near Echmiadzin)

And why is it so weird to want our lands back. If they go an fight there I'm ready to fight next to them.

I would too (once I am old enough, of course). It isn't wierd, but unfortunately, in a world dominated by imperialistic powers determining the borders of smaller country's without knowing the repurcussions of some decisions, Armenia is powerless to do anything, at the moment. It has to wait until the time is right, if you know what I mean.

And Why is it wrong to hate the Turks, it was their ancestors who hated my ancestors because they were Armenian and christain. qunem sag turkeri lav@.

Armenians cannot stoop to the level of the Ottoman Turks. That would be... bad.

secondly tashnags have done more to help armenian people than any other organization has!!!!!

Now they are helping Armenia the most, I wholeheartedly agree (which is why I try to help them whenever I can). However, their past actions during the Genocide is what caused Armenia to fall in the first place. If you would like me to post some text about it, I'd be happy to oblige.

[John I Tzimisces]

In any case, I'm learning to play the duduk. I was having trouble even making a sound at first, but I replaced the reed and now I can actually play notes. I'm going to have a hard time finding anyone with any knowledge to teach me, so I have a feeling I'm going to be teaching myself...

[Lord William]

However, their past actions during the Genocide is what caused Armenia to fall in the first place.

This statement can and has been agrued for years.

[Sarkiss]

Now they are helping Armenia the most, I wholeheartedly agree (which is why I try to help them whenever I can). However, their past actions during the Genocide is what caused Armenia to fall in the first place. If you would like me to post some text about it, I'd be happy to oblige.

go ahead and post it, or PM me.
there is a division within Dashnaktsutsyun. onse living in Armenia are more moderate and do not really follow the principles of the party. the onse abroad are more radical and actually closer to being a true Dashanktsakans.

[Drtad]

go ahead and post it, or PM me.
there is a division within Dashnaktsutsyun. onse living in Armenia are more moderate and do not really follow the principles of the party. the onse abroad are more radical and actually closer to being a true Dashanktsakans.

Alright, I'll post it here. The source is Zoravar Andranik (when he says revolutionaries he means Dashnaks):

"In 1908 Turkey proclaimed a pseudo constitution and thus succeeded in fooling Europe and snaring revolutionaries. These so-called "idealistic revolutionaries" poured into Constatinople from all corners of the world. They embraced and kissed the murderers- became their friends, forgetting our victims who numbered in the hundreds of thousands. "We are all henceforth Ottomans", they declared from their platforms and pulpits. Approximately 50 days prior to the massacre in Adana, I visited Bolis with a forged passport. I met with Aknuni, Zartarian, Vahakn, and other Dashnaks who spent five hours trying to convince me that the Turks would not harm us. I told them:

I don't believe it! These beasts will again massacre us- what they are doing now is hypocritical and false- you are being deceived and you are deceiving our people. Do not ever abandon the idea of self-defense! Prepare the population in that direction. There are 160,000 armed Kurds from the boundaries of Tigranakert to Bolis. The Young Turks have not disarmed them. When the proper moment comes they will be used to massacre us.

Mamoulian turned to me and said:

What a pessimistic man you are. I have never seen you to be even a little optimistic.

I'll post more later, I have something to do at the moment...

[Sarkiss]

Drtad, form what i read it is obvious that the Dashnaktsakans did not deceive, but being deceived themselves... they thought it was for better but it turned the other way around... i can see their reasoning though.
and lets face it, their political manifest might be outdated and at this point even considered unrealistic, yet still, they are the ones founding Armenian schools abroad, they were amongst the first fighting in Artsakh (to dislike to our beloved first president), and they are still the the most active and biggest party operating within and without Armenia.
i only wish that other parties could do as much as ARFD have done.

[Drtad]

Drtad, form what i read it is obvious that the Dashnaktsakans did not deceive, but being deceived themselves... they thought it was for better but it turned the other way around... i can see their reasoning though.
and lets face it, their political manifest might be outdated and at this point even considered unrealistic, yet still, they are the ones founding Armenian schools abroad, they were amongst the first fighting in Artsakh (to dislike to our beloved first president), and they are still the the most active and biggest party operating within and without Armenia.
i only wish that other parties could do as much as ARFD have done.

Agreed, they were truly being deceived, but after I post some more a bit later you'll reconsider about their benevolence towards the Armenian people themselves... At least in that time period.

[Lord William]

what you mean tashnags decieved themselves the turk where mascarcing armenians before in genciode, why are telling me it was wrong for armenians to fight back against the turks?