The world map if the Axis won WW2

[James the Red]

Did the German and Japanese governments and Military planners have world maps of what they wanted the world to look like if they had won? In terms of what countries existed and what spheres of influence they would have? For example, would Russia all go to Germany or was Japan going to get the Asian part or something?

[Watchman]

Pretty sure the Germans had no intention of going beyond about the Urals or thereabouts - most things of value to be found in Russia were west of that line, anyway. (AFAIK there was also an idea for the eastern frontier to become the German analog to the North-Western Frontier of the British Raj, an "eternal frontier" where generations of young officers could win their spurs...)

I'd guess nobody was really too interested in the Siberian interior, which doesn't have too much to recommend itself to invasion plans.

[money]

go to the farthest western point on the Pakistani border then go straight vertically and that is how the world would be divided, with the Germans getting the west. Although I don't know about the Americas or if the Germans would give the bismarck islands to Japan.

[Watchman]

Some digging around the Wiki turned up this article, which also helpfully links what would seem to be the more salient other ones. See also. Kind of hard to tell how much of all that was basically thought-exercise and theoretising and how much they'd actually have tried to realise and under which conditions, but eh. Doesn't really help that the Japanese had real problems running a coherent operation and the Nazis themselves were hardly of one mind about the assorted prospects...

[avion365]

take a big flag of nazi germany, put it over a globe, there you go

[Kitsunegari]

[money]

More or less what I said!

[money]

The real question from here should be: Who wins the war after this and how does go down? (Germany vs Japan)
When does the war really start?
What about the Americas is it split Pacific to Atlantic or does Japan get North America and Germany get South America?
What happens to Italy and Spain?

[Krieglord]

^ With a German victory I believe Spain would eventually have joined the Germans, I cant see Germany giving a lot of territory to the Italians but I would assume they would get at the very least Malta, Tunisia, Egypt and Sudan.

And heres a good map showing Europe/European Russia after German victory, the part with the divided Italy is fictional but the rest is good

[LSJ]

In the short term, I think Europe was to be the German state, and states east of the Urals and in the middle east were to be German vassals, with North Africa split as colonies for Italy and Germany. Hitler didn't seem to have set any limits though. He was obsessed with expanding. Creating Greater Germany was not the end of his plan, but the beginning - he wanted to populate all of mainland Europe with Germans over time. Taking European Russia was not the end of the war against the Russians, but a goal to destroy their capacity and create an exploitable frontier state. Taking North Africa wasn't an end to African conquests, but a goal to maintain a good oil supply. Japan was an ally of convenience, to occupy the British Empire and America. They would eventually become a threat to Germany... So, one can assume that, if Hitler's conquests went as planned, the German Empire would continue to expand until it remained the only military power of significance in the eastern hemisphere. I think Hitler was a genuine evil overlord who pretty much wanted to conquer the world. It seems strange, but that's what his speeches and writings imply.

[Col. Tartleton]

How is that any different from Alexander or Chinggis Khan or Victoria?

[The Fishman]

How is that any different from Alexander or Chinggis Khan or Victoria?

Those guys were just greedy pricks. Hitler, on the other hand was driven by a semi-religious, psudeoscientific ideology of evil.

[Kitsunegari]

IDK, i think Hitler clearly indicated that he wanted Europe west of the Urals, most of the Slavs would have been forced east. He never expressed much interest in an overseas empire, in fact he expressed a desire to preserve the British Empire. Also there's no evidence of any plan to repopulate all of Western or Southern Europe with Germans.

[MathiasOfAthens]

^ With a German victory I believe Spain would eventually have joined the Germans, I cant see Germany giving a lot of territory to the Italians but I would assume they would get at the very least Malta, Tunisia, Egypt and Sudan.

And heres a good map showing Europe/European Russia after German victory, the part with the divided Italy is fictional but the rest is good

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God if it wasnt for the killing the Jews and political dissidents I would of said that map looks awesome. So how does Moskova separate from the USSR or does the SSSR separate from Moskova? SSSR being Siberian socialist Soviet Republics?

I would go further and predict some territories would be gained in the Middle East and Africa. Oil would of been important. Plus Germanly would of liked to have is African territories back.

[Ahlerich]

take a big flag of nazi germany, put it over a globe, there you go

, most countries have been attacked as they were opposed to germany

a peace with america definately would have been made once europe and the udssr would have been defeated
russian government would have been replaced by a pro germany government like in france, poland probably would have seized to exist.

the rest of europe would have gotten governments like vichy france. britain probably would have gottan a stronger occupation force

[General Brittanicus]

I once read a novel called "the man in the high castle", which was set in a world where the axis won the war. In he book Germany controlled all the land up to the Urals i believe (although some states were still semi-independent like Switzerland), as well as half of the United States. The Japanese controlled everything to the east of the Urals and the other half of the United States, but there was still a rump US state that had been set up somewhere in north america as well. In the book Africa had apparently been de-populated by the Nazi's as well.

[Ak1980]

, most countries have been attacked as they were opposed to germany

a peace with america definately would have been made once europe and the udssr would have been defeated
russian government would have been replaced by a pro germany government like in france, poland probably would have seized to exist.

the rest of europe would have gotten governments like vichy france. britain probably would have gottan a stronger occupation force

On of the reason Hitler starting WW2 because he want to prepare for future conflict against America. Why he make peace with US if he win the WW2 and own the Europe?

[Ahlerich]

On of the reason Hitler starting WW2 because he want to prepare for future conflict against America. Why he make peace with US if he win the WW2 and own the Europe?

i need a source to consider believing that. hitler didnt even want war with the uk, why would he want a war with america?

[General Brittanicus]

i need a source to consider believing that. hitler didnt even want war with the uk, why would he want a war with america?

Well Hitler was the one who declared war on the US in ww2, so i don't see why it is that unbelievable.

[molonthegreat]

^ With a German victory I believe Spain would eventually have joined the Germans, I cant see Germany giving a lot of territory to the Italians but I would assume they would get at the very least Malta, Tunisia, Egypt and Sudan.

And heres a good map showing Europe/European Russia after German victory, the part with the divided Italy is fictional but the rest is good

Sweden is still independent, so it's all good.