Khalid ibn al-Walid custom battle?

[nine-o]

I was just thinking that, if some SS 7.0 creator felt like making my year haha, they could recreate one of his epic battles. His forces were pretty similar to the fatimids early roster, and he... how can I put it... had one heck of a pile of cahones? Haha just a thought.

Also, in case someone reads this and doesn't know what I'm talking about, Khalid ibn al-Walid was an absolutely devastating general who led the hugely outnumbered-outarmed Rashidun armies in the first Muslim conquests... and who is also largely ignored by textbooks in favor of Alexander, Hannibal, and Napolean... consult some wikipedia for more!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_ibn_al-Walid

[Ferdiad]

Check the mod workshop, I know you can create you own but I do no know how.

[nine-o]

I'll have to do that when I get some time, he's seriously gotta be one of the top three generals all-time imho

[Ferdiad]

Never heard of him.

[nine-o]

Well, Muslims and western history are kind of like oil and water, so that's understandable. You've heard of the muslim conquests? He made them possible. The guy walked out of Arabia with 15000 lightly armed men, defeated the two largest empires on earth dozens of times, always outnumbered and outarmed, never lost a battle, and conquered Syria and most of Persia.

But he's an arab and a muslim, and therefore not in many western history books haha.

[Sanderlicious]

If he aint Alexander than he aint great in my book!

But no, seriously, how have I not heard of this guy? I try to break out of the Western bubble of knowledge and influence as much as possible, but I guess it's too strong...

[Ferdiad]

Well, Muslims and western history are kind of like oil and water, so that's understandable. You've heard of the muslim conquests? He made them possible. The guy walked out of Arabia with 15000 lightly armed men, defeated the two largest empires on earth dozens of times, always outnumbered and outarmed, never lost a battle, and conquered Syria and most of Persia.

But he's an arab and a muslim, and therefore not in many western history books haha.

Yes I've heard but don't inflate him too much. The Romans and Sassanids had just finished a long and exhausting war and were at their weakest IIRC.

[Waffen9999]

Yes I've heard but don't inflate him too much. The Romans and Sassanids had just finished a long and exhausting war and were at their weakest IIRC.

That's why the Muslim conquests were possible. Rome and Persia bled each other dry. Rome also dealt with never ending waves of barbarians and civil wars. They basically self destroyed themselves. Had Rome not had the incesant civil wars it suffered, the Muslims never would have emerged from the Arabian peninsula.

[Ichon]

I'm not sure of that... Heraclius rebuilt Roman armies and had defeated Persians nearly 10 years before Arabs arrived. The Arab first expansion reminds me of the Huns and Mongols- mobility, ferocity, ruthlessness, and better leadership. Arabs defeated major armies of Persians and Romans within 6 years. If those states hadn't just fought a war then maybe Arabs would have had to defeat even more armies but I think they would probably have won anyway. The main advantage Arabs had was disunity amongst both Romans and Persians where if either was unified then the very small numbers of Arabs would never have been able to rule the vast territory they captured so quickly. Taking advantage of divisions they played divide and conquer successfully.

Khalid should have his name amongst the best generals in history. Some of his victories are slightly propagandized but so are Alexanders. I don't think he should be considered among the top 5 generals in history but definitely amongst the top 10. If he career had been longer he might even be in the top 3 to me.

[nine-o]

I have no doubt the circumstances helped Khalid out in no small way (nobody mentioned this part yet, but he did have an army of all-volunteer religious fanatics... fanaticism being a pretty good trait for an army to have!), but the results of his battles against better-armed, more numerous foes speak for themselves: total annihilation of the enemy in most, crushing victories in the rest. In my view he deserves recognition simply for consistently overcoming such terrible odds through use of terrain, intelligence, and above all cavalry tactics, and never losing a single battle. He'll always be one of my favorites.

[Judeman266]

No doubt Khalid ibn al-Walid is one of the best generals of all time but the SS timeline is from 1100-1650.

[nine-o]

Oh right, the original post haha. Yeah, I know its outside the timeframe, i just wanted to maybe look into making a historical battle, considering his troops are pretty comparable to the Fatimid early roster and the Romans never changed theirs too too much. I'm gonna take a stab at it myself, just reading up on how to first.

[Judeman266]

Good luck, the battle editor tool is pretty difficult to use.

[Sassanid Saxon]

Khalid ibn al-Walid defeated some of the best armies in the world at the time (The Roman army under the command of the Magister Militum per Orientum, which had fought a long and savage war against the Sassanids). I would love to see a version of the battle of Yarmouk in game for SS 7.0. Lets just say that he maximized the capabilities of vanilla "desert cavalry"!

[Jugurta]

The western world ( judeo-Christian VIP club ) can just not admit that the Muslims were great warriors and upheld chivalry values most times better than Europe, even when confronted with overwhelming historical evidences, one of witch is the defeat of 6 or 7 European crusades and another and not the least is the defeat of the Mongols them selves, but no the Muslims win just because they outnumber their enemies or because they are lucky .... thats why Alexander is OK but Khalid is not, and this pretty much goes for anything that is not European.

We Muslims know the truth and are very proud of our ancestors and of what they achieved and thats all that matter in the end.

[Dark Lord's Heir]

I have a feeling that this thread could go way off task

[Babri]

Definitely Khalid bin Waleed was among the best generals of all time, there is no doubt about that. Unfortunately even the muslims themselves have forgotten their great heroes such as him while the West still remembers there ones.

[Gazz]

The western world ( judeo-Christian VIP club ) can just not admit that the Muslims were great warriors and upheld chivalry values most times better than Europe, even when confronted with overwhelming historical evidences, one of witch is the defeat of 6 or 7 European crusades and another and not the least is the defeat of the Mongols them selves, but no the Muslims win just because they outnumber their enemies or because they are lucky .... thats why Alexander is OK but Khalid is not, and this pretty much goes for anything that is not European.

We Muslims know the truth and are very proud of our ancestors and of what they achieved and thats all that matter in the end.

What?

[omen1710]

Khalid ibn al- Walid( turks know as Halid bin Velid) is one of the most famous general in the world history. He is great general but he isn't a general in the timeline of Stainless steel 6.4. But Salah al din's battle may be put into SS6.4. He is also one of the great general in the SS timeline.

[Ferdiad]

Khalid ibn al- Walid( turks know as Halid bin Velid) is one of the most famous general in the world history. He is great general but he isn't a general in the timeline of Stainless steel 6.4. But Salah al din's battle may be put into SS6.4. He is also one of the great general in the SS timeline.

Not at all. He may have been one of the best or most succesful but he is not even on the scale of famous generals.