Realistic Early Era Poll

[RollingWave]

True, though David I 's reign was quite significant and did give the English some trouble at that point.

[Fair Prince]

That should be a saying around here.

'You just got mongoled, son!'

Haha, there should also be a smiley icon for that!

[Waffen9999]

If Scotland were dropped, I'd argue switching it from 3 provinces to 1 and Ireland from 2 to 1. That would give 3 regions that could be added to a place where another faction would likely be. Middle East or in North Africa comes to mind.

[Jambat]

Scotland is only in the mod because of the film 'Braveheart' and the Battle of Stirling and of course Bannockburn, where Scotland earned its freedom.

I'm rather sure Scotland did a little more than that ;P

[CTD_or_Bust]

Georgia

Not to take away from the whole UK argument over which small feudal society was more important before becoming dependent or incorporated into England but..

The Sultanate of Rum played a part in the Byzantium troubles that set the framework for the first Crusade as well being intertwined with the events following the Mongol invasion (as well as becoming their vassals in the late campaigns era). Georgia is a good choice but The Sultanate was an important part of history.

Of course what needs to be weighed is how much a faction will be played either as the players faction or in proximity to it. Also important is the pre-mongol balance. If Kiev or Rus is just doing crazy good compared to historical accomplishments then it might be best to add in additional factions in that area to divide who snatches up rebel settlements.

As the poll shows, many people want Georgia. It would be the best choice because it is desired by the userbase, it would affect the Rus factions and although it is most certainly going to be annihilated by the Mongols (Great challenge for players) it would also bring Christianity to that corner of the map for a time and bring an interesting new dynamic to the eastern map.

[David93]

Georgia

Not to take away from the whole UK argument over which small feudal society was more important before becoming dependent or incorporated into England but..

So instead we should argue which faction is more important before being "mongoled"
In case your wondering all of ireland isnt conquered until 1603.
Scotland isnt conquered, but you could say joins the union of the crowns or the acts of union are when it joins the UK.

Both of them live for longer than basicly every eastern faction on the map.
Wales is conquered slightly earlier, but it says something when there are more castles per square mile in your country than any where else in the world.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

Wales is conquered slightly earlier, but it says something when there are more castles per square mile in your country than any where else in the world.

yea, it says you have too much stone in your stock and need to find a decent hobby (just lolzing bro)

I think they shouldn't just make England completely dominant, that would only leave france as a 'challenge', the middle-eastern regions are already quite interesting.
let's face it: all SS games have had a bit of a theme around byzantium and the crusades. this is not a bad thing, but if we continue like this england will just be there, nobody will be interested in playing and far western nations anymore.
why not focus a bit more on making the good ol' main factions more fun, instead of keep adding more variety

[Enarec]

I love Wales, Ireland, Scotland and pretty much any fcation who fights against the darned Englishmen, but in the grand scheme of things they are insignificant and don't deserve to be added.

The Abbasid Caliphate should be added, no doubt about it for me. The Middle East is severely underrepresented and the Abbasid Caliphate was very important there.

Not Georgia because we already have enough Christian factions and this would make the Middle East have 2 Christian and 3 Islamic factions, which would be very strange.

[Jambat]

So instead we should argue which faction is more important before being "mongoled"

I wasn't going to say anything and I'm glad I didn't. That was well done, heh.

I actually do agree with the overriding sentiment though that the east should be the main focus first. The Abba's would be great to add and I really enjoy what Rolling Wave did with them in HURB. Georgia I would actually like to see in the Early campaign but I worry that since it will be small and surrounded by hostile enemies it might be crushed quickly. Seeing the Seljuq's beefed up at the start of Early Era a bit would also be very nice.

[Sanderlicious]

On some of the anti Scottishisms: I certainly believe that Scotland is significant enough to play a role in SS, especially seeing as there needs to be some competition for the British Isles for gameplay balance.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

On some of the anti Scottishisms: I certainly believe that Scotland is significant enough to play a role in SS, especially seeing as there needs to be some competition for the British Isles for gameplay balance.

exactly, what's the point of playing england if there's nothing but rebs on the isles?

[Ichon]

exactly, what's the point of playing england if there's nothing but rebs on the isles?

Taking France and Norway. Scots are only 3-4 battles to finish usually.

[RollingWave]

we could easily script so that those regions would rebell like hell ....

or of course two seperate campaign, one removing Scotland for a eastern faction and vice versa, depending on what you want to play. but yeah, if amongst the current 29 faction your going to cut, Scotland is pretty high on the top

Timurids and TO is obviously the first to go since they're not playable, Mongols isn't either but their region of impact was simply too immense to leave out. after that Scotland and Norway would be on the short list. since neither really impacted a huge region during this period. though it would be really hard to balance Denmark without Norway, where as for Scotland you can just remove Inverness and give Edinburgh a much stronger garrison etc.

[Ferdiad]

SS is so focused on the east in general that removing any Western factions would make it even less fun.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

we could easily script so that those regions would rebell like hell ....

or of course two seperate campaign, one removing Scotland for a eastern faction and vice versa, depending on what you want to play. but yeah, if amongst the current 29 faction your going to cut, Scotland is pretty high on the top

howmany diffrent campaigns are they planning to include

[RollingWave]

howmany diffrent campaigns are they planning to include

The beauty of SS is in it's moddability. it's true advances over other M2TW mod is the simple fact that it is so friendly to make submods for.

My general favorability of Scotland / Armenia / Norway over Rum is the argument of uniqueness, in terms of impact it is quite true without much doubt that Rum woul make more sense than those 3. though another possible way to go at it is the faction re-emergent script. to have a REALLY powerful reemergent turks faction in Anatolia if the Seljuqs are toast.

[Melias]

I voted Abbassids since although I feel Georgia is also a good choice the amount of hostile factions around that area would most likely be easy pickings for either Seljuks or the Cumans. Third i'd choose Serbia for a Balkan buffer so that ERE doesn't instantly get all the Balkans. Abassid's from RW HURB sub mod fit in perfectly and stopped the Fatimid's from becoming overly powerful.

[RollingWave]

I voted Abbassids since although I feel Georgia is also a good choice the amount of hostile factions around that area would most likely be easy pickings for either Seljuks or the Cumans. Third i'd choose Serbia for a Balkan buffer so that ERE doesn't instantly get all the Balkans. Abassid's from RW HURB sub mod fit in perfectly and stopped the Fatimid's from becoming overly powerful.

Well part of that is also because I removed Tayma and Al-Aqba from the map, thus making early Fatimid expansion much more difficult.

[Lifthrasir]

I vote for Georgia as I think that the Middle East needs more factions. The fact they're not muslim is even better.
My second choice would go for the Abassids but I'm still wondering where to place them in accordance with the Seljuks in starting location. Between them and the Khwarezmians (around Bagdad)?

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

I vote for Georgia as I think that the Middle East needs more factions. The fact they're not muslim is even better.
My second choice would go for the Abassids but I'm still wondering where to place them in accordance with the Seljuks in starting location. Between them and the Khwarezmians (around Bagdad)?

lolz, so the muslims would be a minority in the middle-east?