[Preview] House Stark of Winterfell

**Blatta Optima Maxima** · March 26, 2012, 12:05 PM

And Victarion with his plate armor and kraken-shaped barbuta? How does that fit your pictures?

Or do you honestly suppose I don't know viking armor like the back of my hand. That said, Ironborn are quite anachronistic, but that doesn't mean they're vikings just because we may think of them as such.

**jacb547** · March 26, 2012, 12:19 PM

The normal raiders look like vikings cuz if you look at it they mostly dont use stell plate, only a combination of chainmail and leather

**Korpskog** · March 26, 2012, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Zoran

Edit: @Korpskog My point exactly! Also, nice to see more swedes here! Our army is growing!

Kul att höra kapten!

Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima

And Victarion with his plate armor and kraken-shaped barbuta? How does that fit your pictures?

Obviously it does not fit any of those pictures at all, and also it does not fit any description of vikings that I have ever heard about. I do not doubt that you know plenty about armor and equipment, that much you have proven! You are right the Ironborn are no vikings but GRRM have obviously taken a lot of inspiration when it comes to armor/equipment (common soldiers), fighting-style (both naval and ground). They rape and pillage, take thralls, claim the "ironprize" and such, sounds very viking-like to me.

As for Victarion Greyjoy he is as highborn as any member of a great westeros-house and therefore can afford a full-plated armor if he wishes to have one (that much can't be said about the rest of the ironfleet). As for the vikings they eventually stopped raiding and evolved to a stereotype feudal agricultural society, maybe that will happen to the Ironborn?

**Lordinquisitor** · March 26, 2012, 02:01 PM

It is also stated that Victarion was something special, and pretty much the only one who wore full plate because he had absolutely no fear (of drowning).

**Captain Zoran** · March 26, 2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima

And Victarion with his plate armor and kraken-shaped barbuta? How does that fit your pictures?

Or do you honestly suppose I don't know viking armor like the back of my hand. That said, Ironborn are quite anachronistic, but that doesn't mean they're vikings just because we may think of them as such.

Trust me, I don't doubt your knowledge of this. You have again and again proven your vast understanding of this. Nor do I claim that they are vikings per say, as we also know they have their variations. Like you said, Victarion and then there's also that Ser Harlaw with his Valyrian sword. What I am trying to say is that based upon the evidence from descriptions, we can assume with somewhat certainty that the society, warfare and equipment of the Ironborn as a people, that they are inspired by or perhaps even go to as far as based upon the 9/10th century vikings.

I see your point, but do you see mine?

**Gen. Chris** · March 26, 2012, 06:25 PM

Those all look great

**Murfmurf** · March 27, 2012, 07:45 AM

Thanks for all the lovely comments chaps

Can we move the debate (if you want to continue it that is

) away from this thread though? Tusen tack

**Blatta Optima Maxima** · March 27, 2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Korpskog

Obviously it does not fit any of those pictures at all, and also it does not fit any description of vikings that I have ever heard about. I do not doubt that you know plenty about armor and equipment, that much you have proven! You are right the Ironborn are no vikings but GRRM have obviously taken a lot of inspiration when it comes to armor/equipment (common soldiers), fighting-style (both naval and ground). They rape and pillage, take thralls, claim the "ironprize" and such, sounds very viking-like to me.

Yes, well, most infantry throughout history have been unarmored save for maybe light helmets, which is the case for both Ironborn and Vikings. So that obviously means they're the same. Oh, and the rape&pillage&burn everything? That's obviously unique for vikings!

Anyway, I am not denying the Ironborn are based on vikings, what I am saying is that it shouldn't guide our perception of their equipment. I'd say they're not exactly like vikings, but rather what would've become of vikings had they still maintained their lifestyle in the 15th century.

**Dearg Doom** · March 27, 2012, 10:34 AM

GUYS ITS A FICTIONAL WORLD STOP ARGUING OVER ARMOUR INACCURICIES PLEASE
Sorry for the caps but i find this quite annoying, this world is quite different to our own! Whose to say things developed at the same pace etc.

**Lordinquisitor** · March 27, 2012, 11:04 AM

Just something to add to the debate, i hope it ends soon (WRONG PLACE! HERE WE LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL STARKS

):

Yes, the Ironborn are based somewhat on the Vikings. But saying that they are just like vikings would be wrong- Just take the Dothraki for example. Those aren`t just mongols, but also share some similarities with the native americans and many twists of Martins own design. (Like their arakhs.. Which are similar to the dacian falx)

The Greyjoys will get an overhaul- Their old units will be redone and changed. So i can`t be sure what equipment they will use exactly but it will keep in line with the books. Leather, mail. Open helmets. Some might use old scale mail, while other experienced raiders might have a piece of plate armor, too. They will kinda look like vikings that have adapted themselves somewhat to the 13, 14 or 15 century while keeping their old fighting style.

**Korpskog** · March 27, 2012, 12:42 PM

Yeah sorry for the OT-discussion! I guess part of it depends on that people cant wait for the other "new indexes" (myself included)!

As for the Starks I cant wait to raid the North as Greyjoy, those Mountain units would make a awesome complement to my horde of ironborn warriors!

**Captain Zoran** · March 27, 2012, 04:01 PM

Ah, got abit carried away as usual. We really should use the Official Discussion thread abit more... If one could dig it up from the Rubble that stille surrounds the Wasteland of former Hotseat Dictatorship Democratic Republic.

But I refuse to appologise! Ye'cant give an old dog a bone and have him not wonder what the next delicious course will be!

**Skiph** · March 29, 2012, 07:28 AM

Hello friend! Very interested in your work. Made on its website an overview of the mods for the Russian.
http://gardarike.org/westeros_tw.html
Maybe someone wants to help you in your work, read more about it.
Tell me please if you have a fantastic creatures, dragons, mammoths, under which need a special animation?

**Lordinquisitor** · March 29, 2012, 08:44 AM

Oh boy, can`t believe how much work some fans are willing to do! Very nice my good sir. If we need animations we will tell you, but for now have some rep!