US soldier goes rogue kills 10 in Kandahar

[white-wolf]

Actually, I said "I don't value their lives that highly" which has a very different meaning than "too highly". This quotation was also in reference to all Afghans (specificallly Pashtuns) not all Afghan children.

Either way, this isn't me justifying the murder of children. You're reading what you want to read.

A children is a children whether she is pashtun or not.

Below are some images why I am angry, beware graphic. edit: especially that was coming from the one who has been helping them.

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[s.rwitt]

Holy , pay attention.

[motiv-8]

Below are some images why I am angry, beware graphic

Know why I'm angry? One, a soldier likely killed 16 people.

Two, the Taliban kills families and children on a regular basis, and whereas the Afghan government says after this one occasion "we think you Americans ought to go" they say to the Taliban "we think we ought to sit down and talk about peace"

[mrmouth]

A-ing-men

[s.rwitt]

They deserve the Taliban.

[selder]

They are the Taliban.

[s.rwitt]

Wrong.

[nein]

hey mister taliban hand over bin laden

[Future Filmmaker]

All the naysayers can drop their nonsense about the military trying to sweep it under the rug. He's being charged with 17 counts of murder along with lesser charges.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/st...233048462.html

[white-wolf]

Know why I'm angry? One, a soldier likely killed 16 people.

Two, the Taliban kills families and children on a regular basis, and whereas the Afghan government says after this one occasion "we think you Americans ought to go" they say to the Taliban "we think we ought to sit down and talk about peace"

I do not compare Taliban with American military. One is terrorist, the other one is supposed to help the Afgans. Besides, I would not try to count dead innocent civilians to see who killed most. That we know already.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

A children is a children whether she is pashtun or not.

Below are some images why I am angry, beware graphic. edit: especially that was coming from the one who has been helping them.

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Why did you quote my post if you're not going to post anything relevant to what I said?

[white-wolf]

I did answer your post.

[Ciabhán]

I did answer your post.

You are either intentionally misunderstanding or just unable to grasp what he said. Because of this your 'answers' are disconnected from the conversation.

He never said he enjoyed, supported, appreciated, liked, etc the fact that children get killed in war. He thinks that the fella involved in this ought to be punished.

What he did say(this is hard to understand if you've never been to war and impossible if you're an idealist who hasn't) was that he places MORE value on American lives. That's not the same as devaluing Afghan lives.

To illustrate how this works: Two men are hanging over a cliff. One Afghani one American. To rescue ONE of them you have to put yourself in mortal danger.

Assuming that the idealist would put himself in harms way to begin with he'd try to rescue both men and thus lose both.

An Afghani villager would rescue the Afghani man or leave them both.

Lawrence would rescue the American first then if still possible rescue the Afghani. If the American was not saveable he'd probably still try. If the Afghani wasn't he might walk away.

That might sound cold but it's practical and war has a way of killing of idealists and leaving practical men behind. So does living in Afghanistan. While war beats a lot of ideals out of people a lot of Western soldiers still have a little idealist in them and rarely become completely callous.

[white-wolf]

You are either intentionally misunderstanding or just unable to grasp what he said. Because of this your 'answers' are disconnected from the conversation.

I do not agree with you. I do understand some (if not the most) of Americans at Afganistan and Iraq do not like locals, even hate them.

In every society, there are criminals. It is not the crime of Americans that murderers like Bales exists. The important thing what the Americans will do with this criminal. The most proper thing is hand over him to Afgans. Second one, is judging and hanging him as soon as possible at USA. The worst thing is that he will getting a slap a wrist as the butcher of Haditha gets. Because of Haditha, I am so critic of Americans' conduct.

[Lord Mov]

I do not agree with you. I do understand some (if not the most) of Americans at Afganistan and Iraq do not like locals, even hate them.

In every society, there are criminals. It is not the crime of Americans that murderers like Bales exists. The important thing what the Americans will do with this criminal. The most proper thing is hand over him to Afgans. Second one, is judging and hanging him as soon as possible at USA. The worst thing is that he will getting a slap a wrist as the butcher of Haditha gets. Because of Haditha, I am so critic of Americans' conduct.

He really deserves nothing else than the death penalty. Though that would be the same punishment Afghans would give him. I too believe it would be right for him to be tried by the Afghans, but if I'm not mistaken there's an agreement between the sides that prevents that.

[Ciabhán]

He really deserves nothing else than the death penalty. Though that would be the same punishment Afghans would give him. I too believe it would be right for him to be tried by the Afghans, but if I'm not mistaken there's an agreement between the sides that prevents that.

I also think he should be executed though not for the bloodthirsty reasons most seem to espouse.

I have to say I find folks calling for it rather ironic. He's supposed to have done what he did for revenge. Now people want revenge on him for it. The cycle of human stupidity rarely disappoints. That Lawrence is one of the few proposing a break in that cycle and catching for it makes it that much sweeter an irony.

[Heathen Hammer]

They are the Taliban.

Indeed. Its accounts like this that make Afghans favor Taliban over occupants.

[Lord Mov]

I also think he should be executed though not for the bloodthirsty reasons most seem to espouse.

I have to say I find folks calling for it rather ironic. He's supposed to have done what he did for revenge. Now people want revenge on him for it. The cycle of human stupidity rarely disappoints. That Lawrence is one of the few proposing a break in that cycle and catching for it makes it that much sweeter an irony.

Well, I guess it would be ironic if people said him and his family need to be all killed. But for him to be formally convicted and executed, I believe serves justice and brings much needed closure to the families. Not to mention, it's only way to save face a little bit for the US in Afghanistan at this point.

[Ciabhán]

Well, I guess it would be ironic if people said him and his family need to be all killed. But for him to be formally convicted and executed, I believe serves justice and brings much needed closure to the families. Not to mention, it's only way to save face a little bit for the US in Afghanistan at this point.

I don't really think that a victorious military that has been improperly used, by dullards and morons in the government, as an occupation force needs to save face. Why should they bloody care? But I'm no diplomat and I'm also a bit less than diplomatic so that kind of thing is meaningless to me.

[Lord Mov]

I don't really think that a victorious military that has been improperly used, by dullards and morons in the government, as an occupation force needs to save face. Why should they bloody care? But I'm no diplomat and I'm also a bit less than diplomatic so that kind of thing is meaningless to me.

Well if they seriously intend to "rebuilding Afghanistan", training police/soldiers, having normal relations with the government, they need to save face after such an incident. As an occupying force, you cannot afford such events which destroy any remaining trust between the people and your forces.