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Thread: [Submod] The King of Rivers and Hills. A complete overhaul of Westeros TW.

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    i have no idea but why not just overwrite the tully SIGIL banner with a mudd one ?
    could save you the textwork

    i just gave a look at the enhanced banners subfolder (guess it's teh same with 0.53's) ..
    try putting/overwriting with these two in data>banners

    i've replaced Sigils
    .................the fish with the crown, for mudd
    .................the kraken with the Hoar , for the ironborn
    .................the flower with the green hand, for tyrell faction
    (so you should maybe change their banner's color into grey-white)
    Last edited by Noobio; May 11, 2012 at 01:35 PM.


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    Default Re: [Submod ideas]The King of Rivers and Hills

    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    i have no idea but why not just overwrite the tully SIGIL banner with a mudd one ?
    could save you the textwork

    i just gave a look at the enhanced banners subfolder (guess it's teh same with 0.53's) ..
    try putting/overwriting with these two in data>banners

    i've replaced Sigils
    .................the fish with the crown, for mudd
    .................the kraken with the Hoar , for the ironborn
    .................the flower with the green hand, for tyrell faction
    (so you should maybe change their banner's color into grey-white)
    that's what i did. The tully banner isn't in that folder anymore but still it shows up I will try your map and see if it works.

    Edit: Your map works thank you. It seems the problem was with the image itself and not the coding, apparently I had messed something up when I changed the original pic.
    Last edited by Dux; March 07, 2012 at 10:56 AM.

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    can't say i really follow you, but try with the attachement i posted (it contains changed sigils) on your recolored banners


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard King View Post
    House Mudd was also part of the First Men and were exterminated during the Andal invasion. So a lot of the other Andal houses (i.e. Arryn, Lannister) hadn't risen to prominence yet. GRRM is extremely vague when it comes to the timeline and events so there's lots of room to work with in this period. Besides it's not likely that all of the First Men kingdoms were wiped out right away, it was probably a long process over at least a couple decades if not centuries.
    Yes, most certainly it was a long process when the Andals overtook Westeros. I'd actually think we're talking about millennia before Andal culture had firmly replace the Fist Men's.

    Its also true that House Mudd were defeated and went extinct pretty early on, but there were several River Kings after them. As far as I know and can see on the Wiki the Houses mentioned who were River Kings were: Mudd, Teague, Fisher and Justman. Thus you could, if you want, replace Mudd with some later Houses that ruled the Riverlands.

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Mudd

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Teague

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Fisher

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Justman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    can't say i really follow you, but try with the attachement i posted (it contains changed sigils) on your recolored banners
    I was saying I tried to do the same thing as you but I messed up, my icon still had a background color.

    Yours works.

    @Gurkhal: I'm keeping house Mudd as Kings. They have the most info in the lore and according to some they were the last First men River kings and were defeated by Ironmen and Stormkings, I believe George martin had said that somewhere on a meeting.

    We will add house Teague tough, as pretenders.
    Last edited by Dux; March 07, 2012 at 11:05 AM.

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    Default Re: [Submod ideas]The King of Rivers and Hills

    so, this will be about the invasion of the andals?
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    Well yes, about the fall of the last First men riverking House Mudd. The other houses will already be Andals tough (save for house stark and Bolton). Almost all territories will have large amounts of first men and a lot of settlements will have hearth trees.

    The Riverlands themselves will be covered with more woods as well.
    Last edited by Dux; March 07, 2012 at 11:25 AM.

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    some strat models of the new factions
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    i made a Bolton too...pick which one you like..
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    Very nice!

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    I'd go with Bolton 2, but that's just my opinion

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    Default Re: [Submod ideas]The King of Rivers and Hills

    i dont think that you should spent time on them tbh. the models you want would look early or even pre medieval.

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    was it the bronze age ?

    seriously, it just came to me..wasn't it the bronze age or something ?i think it was the Andals that brought ironsmith in Westeros..

    kinna silly if you think about it (they had castles like the Eyrie or Storm's End, but didn't know how to work iron?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    was it the bronze age ?

    seriously, it just came to me..wasn't it the bronze age or something ?i think it was the Andals that brought ironsmith in Westeros..

    kinna silly if you think about it (they had castles like the Eyrie or Storm's End, but didn't know how to work iron?)
    In our mod everybody will have iron except for some special units of stark bolton and mudd.

    Andal invasion was a long time ago, it was a graduate process which took 1000s of years, except that technologies of war were taken over by the First men from the Andals rather quickly, just as in real life. You have to adapt or else you die.

    Hannibal is right that the first men should have a more distinctive look, like early medieval, norman look. However, this is great for the experiment on the beta

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    anyway...who cares ? it's fun and it looks good...maybe we can cut the piumes or maybe even try using a different model for the andals..let's say the king's one (you know the one with the cape) or the muslim one but modified..or the other way around

    anyway..can someone make some research and make an outline of the cultural/technological difference, between first men and andals at this timeframe ?

    Dux..
    how much years (aproximately) are we after the Andal invasion ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    anyway...who cares ? it's fun and it looks good...maybe we can cut the piumes or maybe even try using a different model for the andals..let's say the king's one (you know the one with the cape) or the muslim one but modified..or the other way around

    anyway..can someone make some research and make an outline of the cultural/technological difference, between first men and andals at this timeframe ?

    Dux..
    how much years (aproximately) are we after the Andal invasion ?
    I say about 100 years since the arrival of the first ships. So fairly early, but long enough for the assimilation of most of Westeros into the Andal culture.

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    pick a style for Andals =/= First Men
    ..as you see there are various options of "plate-coverage" and "fashion style"


    1..
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    2..
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    3...
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    imo, 1 and 2-the right one/Balon could be used for the First Men
    (with various modifications, like for example cut the cape)

    while 3 and 2-the left one/Thoros
    (that kinna have a more knightly feel could be used for the Andals)

    opinions ?


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    I agree with your opinion.
    Last edited by Dux; March 07, 2012 at 03:34 PM.

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    glad you do

    maybe giving the First Men a bronze hue too, could further do the trick

    anyway, when you will have finished your research, let me know cause i'd like to ask you some instructions/guideline of what to do

    bye man


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    Default Re: [Submod ideas]The King of Rivers and Hills

    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    pick a style for Andals =/= First Men
    ..as you see there are various options of "plate-coverage" and "fashion style"


    1..
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    2..
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    3...
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    imo, 1 and 2-the right one/Balon could be used for the First Men
    (with various modifications, like for example cut the cape)

    while 3 and 2-the left one/Thoros
    (that kinna have a more knightly feel could be used for the Andals)

    opinions ?
    unconsiosly you gave us a preview of Balon and Thoros strat models
    "We all know whatmy brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. I am not Robert. But we will march, and we will free Winterfell or die in the attempt."

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    Default Re: [Submod ideas]The King of Rivers and Hills

    Quote Originally Posted by Noobas View Post
    anyway...who cares ? it's fun and it looks good...maybe we can cut the piumes or maybe even try using a different model for the andals..let's say the king's one (you know the one with the cape) or the muslim one but modified..or the other way around

    anyway..can someone make some research and make an outline of the cultural/technological difference, between first men and andals at this timeframe ?

    Dux..
    how much years (aproximately) are we after the Andal invasion ?
    I honestly think that the andals would be more like 1 and 2(love the left model) while the first-men would be a nordic/saxon looking feel. The first-men especially the northern ones would be fur hard-leather and mail, the helms i can see with an open face with cheek-plates kinda like most 8-9 century helms in England and Scandinavia. The culture of the first men just reminds me of prechristian Saxons and nords/danes. while the Andals remind me of an southern France northern Spain feel. Almost crusader-ish. But i dunno that's just what i envision when i read about these cultures.

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