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    Default Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    I believe that Denmark at the time before the bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807 and confiscation of the fleet by the British had the second strongest fleet next after Great Britain. So why is it that Denmark can only build 80 canon ships of the line? It makes it hard to compete with the 122 canon ships of the line of Great Britain or France. And it's not historically correct. Would you consider adding larger ships to the Danish fleet in future updates?

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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    That is by default. Here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=339219 if you want to change it.




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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael-Denmark View Post
    I believe that Denmark at the time before the bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807 and confiscation of the fleet by the British had the second strongest fleet next after Great Britain. So why is it that Denmark can only build 80 canon ships of the line? It makes it hard to compete with the 122 canon ships of the line of Great Britain or France. And it's not historically correct. Would you consider adding larger ships to the Danish fleet in future updates?
    This is just a minor thing, as I see your point (and this is, after all, a game), but I don't think the Danes every built ships of such size.

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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Remise View Post
    but I don't think the Danes every built ships of such size.
    Looking up Danish ships of the line for the time period covered in the game you are correct.

    The list shows 2 possible 90 gunners built during the time..the Waldemar and the Frederik VI.

    They only ever built one 110 gun ship but that looks like it was inthe early 1700's and the ships name was...Fredericus IV.

    I only count a handful of ships larger than 80 guns ever made bythe Danes and that was all before 1800 after 1800 they primarily only built 80 gun ships or smaller with the 2 exceptions listed above.

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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Why can't we edit our damn posts...so annoying.

    List of Danish ships built

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    • Hercules 81 guns - Captured by Sweden 1563, returned 1570
    • Hector 38 guns - Captured by Sweden 1563 and renamed Danska Hektor, scuttled c. 1566
    • Hjort 46 guns - Captured by Sweden 1563, returned 1570
    • Byens Loffue 56 guns - Captured by Sweden 1564 and renamed Böse Lejon, returned 1570
    • Morian 47 guns - Captured by Sweden 1564 and renamed Danska Morian, returned 1570
    • David 42 guns - Captured by Sweden 1564, returned 1570
    • Skotske Pink 56 guns - Captured by Sweden 1564 and renamed Skotska Pincka, recaptured 1569
    • Jegermesther 90 guns - Captured by Sweden 1565, returned 1570
    • Merkurius - Storm 1566
    • Samson - Storm 1566
    • Hannibal - Storm 1566
    • Fortuna 80 guns
    • Prindse-Bark 64 guns
    • Samson 62 guns
    • Josaphat 52 guns
    • Josua 48 guns
    • Drage 42 guns
    • Trefoldighed 48 guns
    • Tre Løver 46 guns - Captured by Sweden 1644 and renamed Tre Lejon
    • Spes 38-66 (c. 1612) - BU 1673
    • Patienta 48 (c. 1616) - Captured by Sweden 1644
    • St Sophia 40 (c. 1624) - Wrecked in storm 1645
    • Oldenborg 32-42 (c. 1628) - Captured by Sweden 1644
    • Hannibal 44 guns
    • Viktoria 48 guns
    • Frederik 86 guns
    • Sofia Amalia 86 guns
    • Prinds Kristian
    • Norske Løve 44 guns
    • Tre Kroner 42 guns
    • Sorte Rytter 40 guns
    • Trefoldighed 66 guns
    • Lindorm 46 guns
    • København 32 guns - Rearmed to 50 guns, scuttled 1676
    • Tre Løver 60 guns
    • Nelleblad 46 guns
    • Norske Løve 86 guns - Wrecked 1666
    • Tre Kroner 74 guns
    • Oldenborg 47 guns?/48 guns
    • Slesvig 52 guns - Renamed Kurprinds
    • Prins Jørgen 52 guns
    • Delmenhorst 46 guns - Scuttled as part of Provesteen battery, 1713
    • Gyldenløve 36 guns - Rearmed to 56 guns, captured by Britain but released, 1694
    • Prinds Georg 80 guns - Scuttled as part of Trekroner battery, 1713
    • Charlotta Amalia 54 guns - Scuttled as part of Trekroner battery, 1713
    • Christianus V 86 guns
    • Anna Sofia 60 guns
    • Churprinds 76 guns
    • Nelleblad? 56 guns
    • Christiania 54 guns
    • Fredericus III 60 guns
    • Enighed 62 guns - Scuttled 1679
    • Neptunus 42 guns
    • Norske Løve 84 guns - Sank 1679
    • Flyvende Hjort 44 guns
    • Elephant 84 guns
    • Prinds Frederik 84 guns
    • Tre Kroner 84 (c. 1664) - Scuttled as part of Trekroner battery, 1713
    • Christianus IV 50-64 (c. 1672) - Scuttled as part of Provesteen battery, 1719
    • Tomler 52 (c. 1682) - Scuttled as part of Provesteen battery, 1723
    • Sværdfisk 52 (c. 1682) - Scuttled as part of Provesteen battery, 1723
    • Slesvig 50/52 (c. 1684) - Storm 1711
    • Dannebroge 94 (c. 1692) - Blew up 1710
    • Tre Løver 78 guns
    • Prinds Christian 76 guns
    • Sophia Hedevig 76 guns
    • Dronning Louisa 70 guns
    • Prinds Carl 54 guns
    • Prinds Wilhelm 54 guns
    • Oldenborg 52 guns
    • Fredericus IV 110 guns
    • Justitia 90 guns
    • Haffru 70 guns
    • Beskjermer 64 guns
    • Ebenetzer 64 guns
    • Ditmarsken 50 guns
    • Laaland 50 guns
    • Dronning Anna Sophia 90 guns
    • Tre Løver 60 (c. 1730)
    • Prinsesse Charlotte Amalia 60 (c. 1731)
    • Prinsesse Louise 60 (c. 1731) - Discarded 1771?
    • Markgrevinde Sophia Christina 60 (c. 1732) - Discarded 1753?/56?
    • Christianus VI 90 (c. 1733) - Discarded 1769?
    • (Nye) Delmenhorst 50 (c. 1735) - Discarded 1777?
    • Jylland 70 (c. 1739) - Discarded 1761?
    • Wenden 70/72 (c. 1742)
    • Kjøbenhavn 70 (c. 1744)
    • Fyen 50/52 (c. 1746)
    • Island 50/60 (c. 1751)
    • Stormar 60 (c. 1751)
    • Dronning Juliane Marie 70 (c. 1752) - Discarded 1788?
    • Fredericus V 90 (c. 1753) - Discarded 1775?
    • Sejer 60 (c. 1754)
    • Grønland 50 (c. 1756)
    • Kronprintz 70 (c. 1756)
    • Dannemark 70 (c. 1757)
    • Ebenetzer 50 (c. 1758)
    • St Croix 50 (c. 1758)
    • Jylland 70 (c. 1760)
    • Mars 50 (c. 1760)
    • Norske Løve 70 (c. 1765)
    • Slesvig 50 (c. 1767)
    • Elefanten 70 (c. 1769)
    • Holstein (c. 1772)
    • Dannebroge (c. 1772)
    • Wagrien (c. 1773)
    • Prindsesse Sophia Frederica 70-74 (c. 1774) - Discarded 1807?
    • Indfødsretten (c. 1776) - Discarded 1784?
    • Justitia 70-74 (c. 1777) - Discarded 1807?
    • Oldenburg 60-64 (c. 1779) - Discarded 1799?
    • Dittmarschen 64 (c. 1780) - Captured and destroyed by the British, 1807
    • Arveprinds Friderich 70-74 (c. 1782) - Discarded 1807?
    • Princess Louisa Augusta 64 (c. 1783) - Discarded 1829?
    • Krondprins Friderich 70-74 (c. 1784) - Discarded 1807?
    • Mars 64 (c. 1784) - Captured and destroyed by the British, 1807
    • Nordstiernen 70-74 (c. 1785) - Discarded 1805?
    • Infødsretten 60-64 (c. 1786) - Discarded 1801?
    • Fyen 70 (c. 1787) - Discarded 1807?
    • Sjælland 60/70 (c. 1787) - Discarded 1801?
    • Odin 70-74 (c. 1788) - Discarded 1807?
    • Neptunos 80 (c. 1789) - Captured by Britain, aground and burnt 1807
    • Tre Kronor 70-74 (c. 1789) - Discarded 1807?
    • Kronprindsesse Maria 70-74 (c. 1791) - Discarded 1807?
    • Skjold 70 (c. 1792) - Discarded 1807?
    • Dannemark 74 (c. 1794) - Captured by Britain 1807
    • Sejer 60 (c. 1795) - Discarded 1807?
    • Waldemar 84 (c. 1798) - Discarded 1807?
    • Norge 74 (c. 1800) - Captured by Britain 1807
    • Christian VII 80 (c. 1803) - Captured by Britain 1807
    • Prinds Christian Frederik 74 (c. 1804) - Discarded 1808?
    • Prindsesse Caroline 74 (c. 1805) - Captured by Britain 1807
    • (3 battleships) 74 guns - Not launched; captured and destroyed by the British, 1807
    • Phoenix 60 (c. 1810) - Discarded 1843?
    • Danmark 66-74 (c. 1817) - Discarded 1856?
    • Dronning Marie 84 (c. 1824) - Discarded 1862?
    • Waldemar 84/94 (c. 1828) - Discarded 1869?
    • Frederik VI 84/94 (c. 1831) - Discarded 1872?
    • Skjold 64 guns (1833) - Discarded 1876?
    • Christian VII 84 (c. 1840) - Captured by Schleswig-Holstein 1849
    • Dannebrog 72 guns (c. 1850) - Rebuilt 1863 as 16-gun armored frigate, discarded 1897?


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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Okay, I see your point. Maybe 80 guns ships of the line is not so ahistorial after all. I just feel that the Danish fleet is rather weak in the beginning only having inferior ships compared to both Britain and France having large ships of the line with up to 122 guns. And as far as I know, the Danish fleet was the second strongest next after Britain. But I guess I just have to build up a strong fleet of 80 guns ships of the line in order to challenge Lord Nelson or Villeneuve or change it myself as suggested by Husserl. Thanks for all your useful replies.

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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael-Denmark View Post
    Okay, I see your point. Maybe 80 guns ships of the line is not so ahistorial after all. I just feel that the Danish fleet is rather weak in the beginning only having inferior ships compared to both Britain and France having large ships of the line with up to 122 guns. And as far as I know, the Danish fleet was the second strongest next after Britain. But I guess I just have to build up a strong fleet of 80 guns ships of the line in order to challenge Lord Nelson or Villeneuve or change it myself as suggested by Husserl. Thanks for all your useful replies.
    As a p.s. to what I wrote before, although in the game they are very powerful, the British didn't really like the larger ships, as they were too expensive, and too slow, to be of great benefit either in battle, or on blockade duty. One-hundred gun ships were useful for leading the line, because of the punishment they could dole out and accept, but the larger vessels were not generally seen as assets, most of the time.

    B.C. Milligan

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    Default Re: Why can Denmark only build up to 80 canon ships of the line?

    Denmark was able to maintain one of (i believe that the thing about the Danish Navy being the second largest is a myth that the Danish like to keep alive) the largest fleets in Europe at the time because they didn't build larger ships than 80-gun ships of the line. Larger ships than that were as Shashu writes very expensive and were not suited for the Danish Navy's job at the time, which was to protect its' trade and colonies.

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