DMUC 8.0 PLATINUM OPEN BETA (Update 41, 25/7/2012)***The last small files to test before the BIG BETA***

[LEGIO_XXX ULPIA]

Not really, unless you know how to mod yourself and can deal with all the additional unit entries, and since we are doing away with standalone DM right now anyway there is no point having a DM beta.

Ok Tango...i'll try DMUC...correct sequence is: DMCU 6.2--->PATCH 6.2 to 7.0---->PLATINUM BETA...right?

[Tango12345]

Yes.

[satyrus]

I have played some Campaigns with Venice,Denmark and Maroco with Version 9. On all Campaigns England start a war against me. On my Venice Campaign first England, then the UP and then
france start a war against me , the same when i played Maroco. I think the Big Nations start very fast a war against the smalls. I play on H/H

[FiestaSolara]

This version 9 gives me CTD's during battles. But only played it for about 2 hours.
Will report further.

[xUSAxNattador]

Hey I am havin issues installing platinum, is it really only 7mbs or something small like that? And once I dl, what should I open it with? It won't open for me through a normal process. What does darth mean when he says unzip? Thanks again, sorry for bein a newb when it comes to modding

[twp127]

yes, my updating to 9 is creating CTD during battles too.
allso BAI was acting weird realigning in front of my line just outside my infantry firing zone. So they got shot to pieces by my cannons.
I was attacking a city without walls. Can't remember territory name but the one north of Huron territory.

But I noticed with platinum beta is that diplomacy is a bit more flexible now.
I play late campaign(VH CAI and N BAI started on update8) as U.S. and after delcaring war on G.britain in turn 4 I could negotiate peace with their allies Iroqouis and maratha by giving them farmingtechnology.
A thing I havent been succesful with before.
previous us campaigns on 6. someting versions I got attacked by maratha in americas cause i couldn't get them to agree on anything. So this is much apreciated

I wanna play more DMUC today so does anyone have a copy of update 8 by a chance?
or maybe I can use the windows retore to fix it.

[Tango12345]

I don't want to see any s around. They are not needed.

When Darth sees this he can check up on the CTD issue.

[Tango12345]

Hey I am havin issues installing platinum, is it really only 7mbs or something small like that? And once I dl, what should I open it with? It won't open for me through a normal process. What does darth mean when he says unzip? Thanks again, sorry for bein a newb when it comes to modding

Merged with the platinum beta thread, where all beta related questions should be put.

Just unzip it and copy files the into the ETW data folder, overwriting files as necessary.

Unzip means using a program like 7zip to extract the files from the archive into which they have been compressed.

[xUSAxNattador]

Okay how do I know if I got it right? It says the core was last updated 3/5, in the data folder of etw, is that all I had to do

[DARTH VADER]

The update 10 is the best update yet.
Test in a new campaign how better and more challenging are the battles, how better is the autocalc, how better is the CAI.

Approximatelly 200-300 people follow the beta but there are too few reports. Do you want the mod to offer you even more enjoyment? It is your chance to contribute now with some good targeted feedback.

[Akimov]

The update 10 is the best update yet.
Test in a new campaign how better and more challenging are the battles, how better is the autocalc, how better is the CAI.

Approximatelly 200-300 people follow the beta but there are too few reports. Do you want the mod to offer you even more enjoyment? It is your chance to contribute now with some good targeted feedback.

I don't have a huge amount of spare time but will try it and report back!, any specific areas you want looking at. I was going to concentrate on the land battle aspects.

[Akimov]

Right will start a British Campain tomorrow and report all I find. One word of caution though, I've seen it mentioned that the next DMUC will have the option for 40 v 40 units. Has anyone fought that with a European v European army? I've got nightmares of the AI having 10 line infantry on each flank criss cross each other and do the melee bug. I've fought the Mughals using 40v40 and it is damn near unplayable because of the melee lag (I understand this is a "logic trap" where the AI is constantly trying to work out what is best to do for every single unit engage - the result being melee battles slow to a crawl).

[alhoon]

I've fought the marathas with 30 armies and they were fine. Remember to use the large deployment zones.
Of course... there was lag. Not unplayable but laggy. Why? Well I had regiments of 400-500 people and they had regiments of 400-500 people. Total about 18K soldiers on the field. What did you expect?

I don't know if the lag was because of RAM problems (3GB RAM) or because I have intel quad core and the game uses just one core = not enough processor power.

[Sir_Aggelos_GR]

Ai seems too be so agressive.I pick minor nations and they kick my ass.They guard they trading ports well and have compact formations in battle.Its too tough to survive with a minor.I play in VH/VH with CAPs difficulty enhancer.Its frastrating but i ilke it.now im playing as Barbaty states i will report as sson as i play some turns.
AHhoon move to 8GB of ram if you have DDR2 and win 7 x64 and you will notice the true power of your quad core for sure.money for RAM never spent in vain.Im jealous of you because i have stayed with primitive dual core,4GB DDR1!i DONT EVEN TRY to put unit size to ULTRA!

[lapuvida]

Something has changed in the diplomatics, to the good side! But one last thing which happened to me playing with minor and major faction is, that some factions I hardly got an alliance with, cancel this alliance in the very next turn, only to offer my money in the following turn to get the alliance back.

What Aggelos has said, not only happens on that high difficulties, i was playing with courland, and update 8, it took my i think 5 to 7 tries to get to 1710...but on the other hand its kind of reasonable, its the time of imperealism, and so the bigger nations try to grow on the cost of smaller ones.

[alhoon]

Ai seems too be so agressive.I pick minor nations and they kick my ass.They guard they trading ports well and have compact formations in battle.Its too tough to survive with a minor.I play in VH/VH with CAPs difficulty enhancer.Its frastrating but i ilke it.now im playing as Barbaty states i will report as sson as i play some turns.
AHhoon move to 8GB of ram if you have DDR2 and win 7 x64 and you will notice the true power of your quad core for sure.money for RAM never spent in vain.Im jealous of you because i have stayed with primitive dual core,4GB DDR1!i DONT EVEN TRY to put unit size to ULTRA!

I have WinXP and I can play with ultra size fine, except of sieges or when I put over 12-15K soldiers on the field. Then it starts to get laggy.

As for the campaign: VH/VH? Barbary states on top of that? How on earth do you fight? IIRC Barbary states have no line infantry, no arty, and crappy ships. Your efforts are commendable.

If I may ask, which version of the beta do you use?
Also, what about AI to AI aggressiveness? Not just wars, if they capture regions.

What Aggelos has said, not only happens on that high difficulties, i was playing with courland, and update 8, it took my i think 5 to 7 tries to get to 1710...but on the other hand its kind of reasonable, its the time of imperealism, and so the bigger nations try to grow on the cost of smaller ones.

I've noticed that too. When you play a minor, the AI gangs on you.
Except if you play New Spain, where you're one of the most powerful nations in the Americas so after you teach England their place nobody bothers you.

[Warriorset]

I´m really amazed at the level of quality of this mod. Having the best gameplay with empire ever... thanks to all the Darthmod team!!.

My feedback:
Currently playing a Platinum update 9 as UP. VH campaign/Normal battle difficulty, year is 1720.

Improvements:
-CAI is less passive and more agressive in general than in 7+.
-BAI is incredibly good in my experience, it maneuvers and coordinates attacks quite well. I´m losing even battles against melee based armies.
-Tecnological level of ai factions is quite high, but I belive nobody has researched bayonets! It seems that ai researches a lot of industrial and enligthment tecs, but very few militar.
-Diplomacy is improved too. It´s more reasonable in its demands. Basically there are two big blocks. AI looks for alliances constantly, and will try an alliance with you if there is a common enemy.

Needs improvement:

-AI doens´t repair ships. Or does it very few times, there are big ai armadas so damaged that they are no longer a threat.
-Melee is too strong. I have fire by rank and socket bayonets, and even getting some volleys fired at them, Islamic swordmen and derviches are raping my line infantry in no time. Same happens with cavalry, a strong cavalry regiment can rout any line infantry unit quite fast. It needs to be toned down a little in my opinion.

[Skouser]

First quick question: Do i need to restart my campaign after upgrading to platinum?

- I didn't re-start campaign but in my current one immiediatly saw improved AI aggressivness. Especially versus other AI. France had been dancing around Thirteen colonies all campaing (~40 turn in) then after Platinum patch they started invading with large armies and taking regions.

- I have seen mughal scholar in Paris and Mughal (my ally) ships bloackading French (enemy) ports in the Americas.

- Seen significant amount of water based troop transport (even cross theatre). I mean so much, regularly see French, Spanish, Mughal ships with troops (and big stacks too).

[xUSAxNattador]

Okay started as sweden last night on H CAI and N BAI, 4 year turns, ultimate campgain.

I got 40 turns in last night, I played it slow and didn't take norway till turn 7, auto calc seemed a lot better...had superior numbers, by turn 10 was layin siege to cope, auto calc was amazing again.....had a full stack of line and 4 cannons, ifflicted 5k plus causilities only takin 2k myself....more accurate I believe since they had half militia. But the best part if when I declared war on denmark, russia had already asked for an alliance with me and TA plus gave 700 in gold, about the same with poland. But russia kept its alliance with me and broke it with denmark, a move I didn't expect at all. Denmark quick asked for a PT, I accepted and was goin to begin focusing on eco and tade but britian had other plans, turn 1 GB asked for finland for jamacia, I denied by turn 13 they landed churchill and a half stack in finland with a full fleet. I was lucky to move my full stack to finland with my fleet and churchill just sat, I couldn't attack until the fleet was gone, don't know why maybe a glitch. But I was finally goin to try an auto calc on navy battles. I tried it 8 times to test the results, first auto calc GB wiped me out with no losses. We were pretty even with same number of 5thrate ships and 4th, slight edge in 6ths went to them but still no way they should of not took any losses. Tried it again and got the results I believe it should of been, my fleet wiped out but took all but 1 of GBs ships with me, tried this 3 more times all the same result, so idk if the first one was a fluke or what. But auto calced aseveral more navy battles after that and found it more even.

Pros:
Diplomacy improved when trading techs and even better when asking for TA, they always offered gold along with it.
Allies not breaking alliance with me thus far.
Sea born invasions, GB tried twice for finland.
Land battle auto calc improved
Sea battle auto calc improved but still has a fluke in there
Increased AI researching for most countries, prussia, france donminating techs, GB goin all navy
Port guarding, GB always engaged any attempts to block trade port, always had a unit in the port
Fixed LC goals for switzerland.

Cons:
MC wiped out by turn 10, as well with france in india. MC reappeared few turns later but was once again taken out. More active roll by france in tryin to keep the india colony would be nice.
Spain no research at all! Only major country that wasn't researching and this was by turn 30.
Spain wasn't building new towns that were emerging.
More active countries like GB goin after trade nodes. Saw 3 examples of fleets in trade theaters but not sitting on empty trade nodes.


But I can say I like this even more than the last one. Will give more in depth review once I finish the campgain.

[c.ryo]

AI is still bad in terms of researching , imo. Some counties never research even Plug bayonet.