How to assign model as officer banner-bearer with MS3D

[VINC.XXIII]

No mention of animation stuff, the featured banner being originally made by JoeDreck, a Deus Lo Vult famous modder, so its only question here of weights/assignation of vertices and other global considerations


You need:
Mesh to Ms3d Converter
MS3D
One banner(like the ones from Deus Lo Vult or SS)
Your model of soldier(you're probably going for a Rusichi or BC model...)

1-Merge your model with the banner.
As you can see, the banner is not oriented like the weapons, so you have to rotate the left elbow and the left hand. Now your arm is really ugly, so frame your selection, and replace the points until to have a more "normal" looking arm.

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2- Select the left arm(not the group! do it manually). Reason: the left Clavical shouldn't be changed.
Select the Pole's groupe

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Look at right, the categories(bone_Lupperarm and Lhand) and these numbers(92;2), make the same.
Now assign your selection(like in the screen) to Lupperarm. Normally it should blue, like in the first screen.
Do not deselect anything, and assign the weight(2nd screen: down right)

Coding of the officer(described a lot of time around here)

going directly at the field

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of course its possible to decapite an actual working bearer, and reskin it, add a completly different head...etc
That would prevent you against the "weight" nerve crisis
Like that:

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Available muslim banner-bearer:

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download: https://rapidshare.com/files/1691102563/Desktop.rar
this file contain only BC contents(Ghulam stuff)

BMDB's coding:

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1 1
54 unit_models/new/islamic/islamic_captain_flag_lod0.mesh 9400
1
5 moors
62 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/ghulam_medium_cavalry.texture
69 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/ghulam_medium_cavalry_normal.texture 0
1
5 moors
68 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/final general_abbasid_Early.texture
73 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/final general_abbasid_norm_Early.texture 0
4
4 None
14 MTW2_Swordsman 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
5 horse
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
8 elephant
18 MTW2_Elephant_Crew 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
5 camel
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
-1 0 0 0 0 0 0

Horses: Madtao(not delivered into thats Desktop file)


DO NOT USE A 1024'S BODY TEXTURE WITH A 512'S ATTACHMENT, just don't work...


Credits: Niko and Joedreck,Broken Crescent, Madtao, 1066mod, Tsardoms, Dejawolf, Narf, Ninja, Rusichi Team, L.Calidor, L.Hamilton

[karaislam]

nicely done congrats.

[Ishan]

Thread moved to tutorial section.

[RollingWave]

I have a question, I did what you said (I think)and managed to get the arm bent the way I'd like in game, but the attachments aren't showing up correctly for some reason, aka the flag is not showing up at all and the sword is showing up but it's texture is that of the banner, this is very odd since I'm sure I set the texture aspect correctly in milkshape.

Any idea what's up ? I'm pretty sure the comments are all correct, so is it something to do with the BMDB setting? right now this is mine

20 eastern_captain_flag
1 1
54 unit_models/new/islamic/islamic_captain_flag_lod0.mesh 10000
1
7 abbasid
62 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/ghulam_medium_cavalry.texture
69 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/ghulam_medium_cavalry_normal.texture 0
1
7 abbasid
68 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/final general_abbasid_Early.texture
73 unit_models/new/islamic/textures/final general_abbasid_norm_Early.texture 0
4
4 None
14 MTW2_Spear_new 0
1
22 MTW2_Spear_primary_new
0
5 horse
17 MTW2_HR_Sword_new 0
1
22 MTW2_Sword_Primary_new
0
8 elephant
17 MTW2_HR_Sword_new 0
1
22 MTW2_Sword_Primary_new
0
5 camel
17 MTW2_HR_Sword_new 0
1
22 MTW2_Sword_Primary_new
0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0

any ideas? the Model Ishan send me (which he said work in his trial) seem to have the same problem as well.

[VINC.XXIII]

post the model if you don't mind, RollingWave

I post my BMDB's synthaxe, though, it look similar...

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13 saxon_general
1 1
47 unit_models/_Units/rus/bannerbearerSW_lod0.mesh 9400
1
6 byzanz
73 unit_models/_Units/rus/textures/ev_militia_swisslightpikemen_diff.texture
73 unit_models/_Units/rus/textures/ev_militia_swisslightpikemen_norm.texture 0
1
6 byzanz
65 unit_models/_Units/rus/textures/banner_militia_swiss_diff.texture
65 unit_models/_Units/rus/textures/banner_militia_swiss_norm.texture 0
4
4 None
14 MTW2_Swordsman 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
5 horse
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
8 elephant
18 MTW2_Elephant_Crew 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
5 camel
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 0
1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 0
-1 0 0 0 0 0 0

[RollingWave]

Thx Rus-Bey, the files I posted on that other thread is also having the same issue but these are my current once.

[VINC.XXIII]

updated at the first post

[RollingWave]

oh, so it's a texture issue... how do you change 512 textures into 1024 onces then?

[VINC.XXIII]

1) create a new file sized 1024 x 1024

2) put your contents(what there are into your actual 512's texture) into this new file.

3 ) Back to MS3D, reassign correctly the banners/swords, you will need to scale theses elements, perhaps the elements will be out the canevas.

[RollingWave]

thx a ton, I'll rep you when I can again

[VINC.XXIII]

of nothing mate, glad its working for you

[Alkimachos]

Thank you very much! + rep!

[HELLEKIN]

hello Rus-Bey can you upload one of the western flag bearers like you did with the islamic?the most simple?

[VINC.XXIII]

not this one sorry, what mod are you playing?
The animations of the bearers are into DLV and SS

[HELLEKIN]

None from the existed ones ,i´ve been changed vanilla to what i can and as i know ...and i would like to have at least one standart bearer ...tryed to add the ones from the dvl but the banner shows deformed and as i´m not good in modeling i give up ....when i saw your models i liked very much but has i suspected you shouldn´t share it with the people and i understand ,that´s why i asked a simple one...but if you can´t its ok ,i´ll keep waiting until i found one...but if you have one to share with us it will be a help for guys like me that can´t do the art of models as you do.regards

[VINC.XXIII]

You need to take the animations file from DLV or SS, if you haven't did it:
skeletons.idx
skeletons.dat
pack.idx
pack.dat

Or to play directly these mods, both are goods, and their bearers working.

[HELLEKIN]

just copy all this animations and drop in my vanilla folder to overwrite the existent?Can i do that and vanilla work ok?

[VINC.XXIII]

I think yes, that should work, eventually, you can back-up your vanilla animation folder

[Rhaymo]

Hi,
i have a problem with standard bearers in night battle. On night battles, torches are added in left hand of some men, and follow the animation of left hand. So for standard bearer, i see the wave effect on the torches.

[Eothese]

#Rhaymo,
You should only get a torch if the last line of the battlemodels entry is

16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

If you use the mounts and officers line, there should never be a torch.

-1 0 0 0 0 0 0