Spanish factions are weak

[BlackDragon1032]

Why are the Spanish factions so weak?
It seems that the AI can't play as the Spanish but all the other factions he can handle
The Moors are overpowerd and the Spanish factions are underpowerd

[PerXX]

Really? Most people complain that the Moors are utter crap.

[BlackDragon1032]

The Spanish can't resist the Moors, not one decent battle.
I had an alliance with Castille and they were sendig reinforecements that were utter crap
That army had 5 min contact with Moors and they routed

[django333]

Moors tend to steam roll Iberia in a lot of my 6.4 games. However, playing the Moors is a definite challenge in 6.4 due to the poor late game units.

[BlackDragon1032]

I recommend that this problem should be tackled?
All who agree say "ay"

[Aorii]

Moors tend to steam roll Iberia in a lot of my 6.4 games.

That's because the Moors are the strongest faction in Iberia at start and the Catholic factions always spend too much time warring each other. In a few games I've seen where the Catholic Iberian nations actually allied with each other, they always launch a successful reconquista even if the Moors already took over 2/3rd of Iberia when the alliance formed...

In regards to the allied army--- in my experience an allied army is always more stupid than an enemy army AI. I have no clue why. For one allied armies are still prone to mount suicidal general's charges which is enemy AI seldomly do anymore...

And yeah, from a player perspective, the Moors' roster is trash compared with the Catholic Iberians.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Why are the Spanish factions so weak?
It seems that the AI can't play as the Spanish but all the other factions he can handle
The Moors are overpowerd and the Spanish factions are underpowerd

Mr pregnant

Are you serious? Oh... you mean the AI playing as Iberians, that's different I suppose... But no, I love Iberic factions because you can AP the enemy to death. Javilneers have better stats than any of the militia trash. Plus you can chuck AP at the enenmy on horsaeback as well as on foot.

A battle line of two deep javilns....unbeatable by opponents on foot... The only concern is if you don't carry enough cav support the counter the enemy's horse.

OT: From what I've seen the AI holds it's own playing the Iberian factions roughly 50/50 give or take a few bad luck streaks.

[BlackDragon1032]

Yeah that's what I meant
I think I'm going to play as Castille and kill every muslim in the game

[Judeman266]

From what I've seen if the Catholic Iberians ally together, they are almost always successful in the Reconquista. If they are constantly warring with each other, then they won't be able to stop the Moors individually. So its not that they are weak, it is all about diplomacy. The Iberian factions are very strong in the renaissance era though.

[Jasonhunterx]

On mine I'm playing as Crown of aragon an I was able to capture There capital an castillie is beating them to death while I fight Genoea

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[Sharpe]

Just wait until you have decent numbers of Knights and then hammer and anvil them (With Heavy Infantry support)

[BlackDragon1032]

ok I will try that but I was talking about the fact that if they are controled by the AI in 9/10 casesthe Moors win

[Jedi Knight]

Iberian factions are not weak but i agree with you when Iberian factions are controlled by AI, they can't handle Moors.

[Ichon]

Iberian factions are not weak but i agree with you when Iberian factions are controlled by AI, they can't handle Moors.

I see it as fairly balanced, only a few campaigns did Moors win quickly. Most of the time its a very long stalemate only broken when France or Genoa intervenes. France attacking Aragon allows Moors to control all of Iberia while Genoa interfering takes attention of the Moors off of Iberia.

[BlackDragon1032]

Yeah but still ....

[RomanKiller]

How are the Moors underpowered? Their late roster is trash and their early is nothing special either

If anything the spanish factions are overpowered and the Moors underpowered

[Cyprexinia]

You really cannot add power to the Moors because their strength comes from stack spamming. Playing as the Moors your units aren't duelist or strong 1v1 you need to overwhelm with great numbers. It's not that hard to do and the Moors have a lot of AP and stronger Jinetes and have access to several types of spears.

I will agree tho, the Spanish AI sucks.. same with the Crusader States.. they always lose almost every single battle which is kind of confusing to me. They shouldn't be steam rolled so quickly every game.

[RomanKiller]

You really cannot add power to the Moors because their strength comes from stack spamming. Playing as the Moors your units aren't duelist or strong 1v1 you need to overwhelm with great numbers. It's not that hard to do and the Moors have a lot of AP and stronger Jinetes and have access to several types of spears.

I will agree tho, the Spanish AI sucks.. same with the Crusader States.. they always lose almost every single battle which is kind of confusing to me. They shouldn't be steam rolled so quickly every game.

Historically the numbers were about even and many times the "Moors" defeated much larger forces. But the reality was that most of their population was always christian

The only reason the "reconquista" was even successful was because of the breach of treaties from the christian side, not because of their military prowess or anything

[Judeman266]

I'm pretty sure that both sides breached treaties routinely. Alliances and enmities were not just based on religion. Try not to let your bias enter the discussion. Also there were numerous times when the Almoravid and Marinid Caliphates invaded from Africa with superior numbers. In most significant battles the Iberian Catholics had to combine forces to fight on even ground with the Moors.

I for one think the Moors have a pretty good roster until about the 15th century. However, that is about the time that they were pushed entirely out of Iberia. SS portrays this pretty well. Lastly, evidence of the lack of military strength of the Moors is seen when the Emirate of Granada became a tributary state to Castille, the Hafsids of Tunis being a vassal state of Spain for most of the 1500s. Clearly, one can establish that the Moorish military strength during the 1400s and 1500s was not on par with that of the Iberians.

[GiddeeUpp]

Try to utilise bridges and chokepoints and hope they funnel to the bridges and attack them there. clog the bridge with 1 or 2 units of spear militia about 3/4 or 4/5 of the way to your side of the bridge and destroy them with javelins, huge victories and as they rout/have small archer or light cav units remaining across the bridge use your general and a unit of mailed knights or own cavalry to rout the remainder of them. easy way to win big victories over the poorly armoured moors esp. in early era.