Resisting the green dragon the religous and spiritual beliefs of radical enviromentalism.

[Tom Cruise HAWK]

What Pagans? Has it not been recorded, even in Britain, that they still sacrifice children given the most recent case of a youngster's body being found in the Thames, indeed something that is done in Africa today? The only sacrifices made in the name of God under the supposed name of christianity are the masses held by certain religions and that with pretend Jesus's.

You cant compare Pagans in Europe to African tribal customs they are differant.Pagans do not sacrifice babys ..
I ate the body of chriest every sunday when i was a kid thats cannalbalism.

[basics]

" You cant compare Pagans in Europe to African tribal customs they are differant.Pagans do not sacrifice babys ..
I ate the body of chriest every sunday when i was a kid thats cannalbalism."

Tom Cruise,

When I first came up to the Forres area, I saw down at Kinloss Abbey's ruins the carcasses of sheep that had been ritually sacrificed so the system is the same even if the sacrifices are not. And no, you did not eat the body of Christ every Sunday, you were just taught to believe that you did.

When the Bible talks of eating and drinking the body and blood of Jesus Christ that only applies to them that have been born again and is a figure of the relationship between Him and them as done by Him at the cross. As Paul puts it, through His blood as their substitute, they are now one with Him and Him them. In other words unless they had been on the cross in Him they couldn't possibly have eaten or drunk His blood and body.

It is a Spiritual imputation that applies only to them meaning that it does not apply to the world, the surety of which comes to their belief by faith through grace the day and the moments when God converts their rotten natures for that of Jesus Christ. The old has passed away being replaced by one that belongs to Jesus Christ. In other words in those moments of regeneration they no longer belong to this world.

However, what has all this got to do with the failure of worldly men to see that their kith and kin are properly housed and fed? Oh, he can find trillions to dig a tunnel under Europe but no trillions to stop people dying of starvation. And when one looks to the religious and their bastions of gold and silver where then stands the mother who has no milk for her child? And, when we see charities investing millions in stocks and shares, providing huge salaries to their top guys, when that money was given for the poor, the starving, what does it say for worldly man?

[Tom Cruise HAWK]

It is a disgrace that some people are starving in Africa and we are getting fat from too much piggery of fast food.These African countrys that have little food though have natural resources that we exploit and the fair trade idea is good.I think god should come down and sort out the leaders of the world...We are not running the world proper

[total relism]

Aside from the ones I clearly described? Aside from the basic fact that humans strive to be happy? My morality is based on rational extrapolation of that fact, and on respecting others and human dignity.

If we're going to get into the irrationality one someone's morality, look in the mirror. Yours, which you have implied is a traditional Christian moral scheme, is based on the argument-from-authority fallacy.


You know little about my worldview, clearly. My worldview is built on enjoying life, celebrating it and the things that make it possible.

Ok last time this is off topic,perhaps we should debate 1v1 or discuss in pms

your still not understanding, I am in no way saying you dont have morals or think certain things are good or bad, im saying your worldview has nothing to base it on other than your mere opinion, you happen to believe that to be true, or what you do may happen to make you happy. But you have no right to say I am wrong, if what makes me happy is killing children and hunting down or poising endangered species or doing all I can to hurt "mother earth" if that is what makes me happy because as you say there is o authority or aboslutes because noone to give those no god. Only A god could set absolute right or wrongs,we as evolved chemicals cannot we may evolve alittle different so you think being happy is good,my chimerical s make me think killing endangerd species is good and makes me happy. So yes me saying only god could make morals possible and logical and constant with my worldview, it is because only a god can have that authority to say what is right and wrong. I hope you understand were im coming from know.

[MaximiIian]

perhaps we should debate 1v1

I don't do that sub-forum.

or discuss in pms

If you PM me, I'm going to consider it harassment. I do not want PM's from people I don't like.

im saying your worldview has nothing to base it on other than your mere opinion

And I'm saying, you're full of and are misunderstanding, wholesale, my beliefs and their foundation. You are refusing to understand, because you never understood and do not wish to.

Only A god could set absolute right or wrongs

That's either hilariously naive or depressingly cynical towards human ability.

I hope you understand were I'm coming from know.

I already understood where you were coming from. A hopelessly backwards, warped, and monotheistic standpoint.

[total relism]

I don't do that sub-forum.


If you PM me, I'm going to consider it harassment. I do not want PM's from people I don't like.


And I'm saying, you're full of and are misunderstanding, wholesale, my beliefs and their foundation. You are refusing to understand, because you never understood and do not wish to.


That's either hilariously naive or depressingly cynical towards human ability.


I already understood where you were coming from. A hopelessly backwards, warped, and monotheistic standpoint.

first this does not count as A replie
Question begging epithet
when someone imports bias often emotional language to support a claim "ignorant" "dishonest" "stupid" "gullible" or other disparaging remarks


our discussion is way off topic 1v1 is the only proper place to further this, but as you cannot respond for last 3 post to my objection without not noticing it I wont wait for that offer of a 1v1 on this subject. So lets get back to the green dragon

[Tom Cruise HAWK]

So you are saying that a pagan cult wants us to look after the earth and nature.But they do not want us to worship god and put nature above god as we live on the planet??
Is that what all this green dragon is about??They think nature gives us food and air and you say its god.I do not think there are many pagans around nowadays they were all killed or made believe in jesus by the Roman army...

[basics]

Tom Tom Tom Cruise,

Its not about Druids or any other suchlike although that section of society have the right to their views. No, it is about educated, paper endowed, men and women thinking they can change nature by spending vast amounts of your money and mine at things they have no control over and never will have. And, where they can do something on the planet they make a complete hash of it as the money disappears.

For example I just read a report about Haiti and the non-progress plus the disappeared money that was promised, never even materialised, while that people in large numbers are getting by on one meal every two days as one woman said. Because there is little or no food, prices naturally have rocketed and you know what, many of the so-called charity workers are seen to be motoring around in brand new four wheelers spending their weekends on the beaches. What kind of world is this?

[MaximiIian]

Is that what all this green dragon is about?

That, in a nutshell, is what his rant is about. I don't understand what his problem is, myself.

They think nature gives us food and air and you say its god.

That's his gist. And, again, I don't see what his beef is. It makes no sense.

I do not think there are many pagans around nowadays they were all killed or made believe in jesus by the Roman army...

To put it in very brief terms, the contemporary pagan revival is one of the fastest-growing religious movements in the Western world. And while it has had some small influence in the environmentalist movement since the 1970's, its influence is dwarfed by that of just regular people who believe that the planet and our biosphere is worth saving.

[total relism]

To put it in very brief terms, the contemporary pagan revival is one of the fastest-growing religious movements in the Western world. And while it has had some small influence in the environmentalist movement since the 1970's, its influence is dwarfed by that of just regular people who believe that the planet and our biosphere is worth saving.

very very true aspecially with western liberals you have a god ok belive in your god its true for you, ill belive in my god well all just get along,you belive in a goodess mother earth that is ok also its ancesit rome many gods allah jesus buddah mother earth.
false asumtion that the earth will be destoyed by carbon emision or whatever your claim is,also who would not want to save the earth? dont need to be a hippie for that.

[MaximiIian]

false asumtion that the earth will be destoyed by carbon emision

No one's claiming that at all. Global climate change theories usually posit that carbon emissions increase natural greenhouse gases and warm the Earth over a long period of time, which can raise the sea level over a longer period of time. The greatest danger posed by it is the degradation of coastal and arctice ecologies, and damage to human living spaces. That's a hard fact, and just about everyone with two brain cells knows that we have to do something to change that into a more sustainable and stable situation. The environmentalist movement just wants to see things done sooner rather than later.

[basics]

" The environmentalist movement just wants to see things done sooner rather than later. "

Maximilian,

Surely it is more important to see to the living today rather than posture about things that may well never happen in a future that God will sort out anyway. Is it a case of taxing people to death being more important than keeping them alive? For what? So that the children they can never have again can enjoy a planet free of contamination? I think we all know that is but a pipedream but then if your god happens to be the environment is it to hell with people especially if they earn nothing?

[Tom Cruise HAWK]

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...3gcUxf54Xc5btA

Would the Green party be part of the Green Dragon dynasty???

There are distinctions between "green" parties and "Green" parties. Any party, faction, or politician may be labeled "green" if it emphasizes environmental causes. Indeed, the term may even be used as a verb: it is not uncommon to hear of "greening" a party or a candidate.
In contrast, formally organized Green parties may follow a coherent ideology that includes not only environmentalism, but often also other concerns such as social justice, consensus decision-making, and pacifism. Greens believe that these issues are inherently related to one another as a foundation for world peace. The best-known statement of the above Green values is the Four Pillars of the Green Party, adopted by the German Greens in 1979-1980 (but forsaken since). The Global Greens Charter lists six guiding principles which are ecological wisdom, social justice, participatory democracy, nonviolence, sustainability and respect for diversity.
Green movements call for social reform to cut abuse of natural resources. Examples include Green parties as well as Greenpeace, which was founded in the 1970s concurrently with many Green parties. Its aims agree with those of many green movements, though it approaches its objectives in different ways.

[justicar5]

" The environmentalist movement just wants to see things done sooner rather than later. "

Maximilian,

Surely it is more important to see to the living today rather than posture about things that may well never happen in a future that God will sort out anyway.

If your god 'sorts it out' we will all be put to the most vile death possible by his followers, THAT is Christianity according to the bible.

[total relism]

No one's claiming that at all. Global climate change theories usually posit that carbon emissions increase natural greenhouse gases and warm the Earth over a long period of time, which can raise the sea level over a longer period of time. The greatest danger posed by it is the degradation of coastal and arctice ecologies, and damage to human living spaces. That's a hard fact, and just about everyone with two brain cells knows that we have to do something to change that into a more sustainable and stable situation. The environmentalist movement just wants to see things done sooner rather than later.

the problem is the estimated sea level rise to casue all this damage is not happening or could not with the suposed increse in temp that would result from man made carbon emisons, A great disk for this is puting out the dragons fire on global warming. Even liberals like al gore admitted they were wrong on there numbers,it is just scare tacticks as I said before, mother earth will punish us if we dont follow these rules etc.

[Taiji]

This is not about atacking them so much as exsposing there worldview and religous beliefs, but yes much is on political and scintifc as well, but it is very much a difrence on worldview and beliefs, if you view mother earth as your creator or view human life as a plegue or virus destroying your mother,than you will belive and have very difrent opnion than someone who belives in a creator.

Correct spellings for your reference: Attacking, exposing, scientific, difference, plague, believe and opinion.

No need to thank me, you're welcome

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[MaximiIian]

Surely it is more important to see to the living today rather than posture about things that may well never happen in a future that God will sort out anyway.

That would make small bits of sense if your god existed. But he doesn't, so no.

[total relism]

That would make small bits of sense if your god existed. But he doesn't, so no.

that is why understanding the religous beliefs and worldview of the green dragon who are pagan nature worshippers who belive in no creator god outside of his creation. There is nothing special of human life in fact were a plague hurting mother earth

[Tom Cruise HAWK]

We are parasites on this earth.A strange evolved fungas that will consume and kill all.
Or we are here as god wills it.
Either way we have to look after this planet we are on as our survival depends on it.

[justicar5]

that is why understanding the religous beliefs and worldview of the green dragon who are pagan nature worshippers who belive in no creator god outside of his creation. There is nothing special of human life in fact were a plague hurting mother earth

as opposed to the slaves and torture toys of Jehovah? He has no use for us apart from our suffering, or mindless and violent obedience, so how is that any better?