Yes, Scottish got out in me with a few too many swears. I removed most of them.
2. Two secondary sources, one I trust entirely, one I don't. The decision was made while I was absent, however.
3. How absolutely ridiculous. You criticize us for having a poor CB and being bullies, yet commend the Northmen for not bothering with this, in the exact same sub-point. This is the very height of your bias, Poach. Choose a side - either we need to be justfied in our actions, or we do not. If we do, examine equally those of the Northmen, if we don't, then stop complaining about it.
Yes, we would probably have killed Greens, but not if we had just lost a war against his factions, and not if we knew why he was there. Yes, we kicked a faction while they were down... but if you're down its not a good idea to spit at the guy standing above you. And justice? Again, ridiculous if you cannot hold others to the same standards.
So tell me, would you prefer we attack with complete disregard for justice?
Furthermore, if a Brother got killed for walking in the wrong direction (and yes, that is why I was killed according to the northmen), would you remain silent?
Your secondary sources seem to be gullible, then.
No, you see Sama, there's a difference between being open and honest about your lack of a CB, and attempting to justify a completely outrageous one to claim you're fighting the good fight. The Northmen fought because they like to fight, and they're honest about that, and when they're done fighting they don't come back a few days later to stomp their old enemies back down again.
The Dwarves show a blatant lack of even basic respect for their old foes, trespass, build, and refuse to leave, and then jump it all way up out of proportion in an attempt to claim they're not being utterly unreasonable in kicking their old foes before they can even get back up. You've got this completely indefensible reason for going to war.
I'd have more respect for you guys if you just came clean and admitted your actions were extremely heavyhanded and that you guys were probably in the wrong in the first place, but to hell with it we wanted to slap them about some more.
It's the lies I dislike Sama, the lies and mental acrobatics to claim you guys are totally fighting another justified and fair fight against the Northmen.
Jesus Christ. A few of you need to take a chillpill.
Edit: Poach you are wrong on one point. We don't go to war because we want to. We do it because Green is bored.
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Do you realise the flaw in your logic though? Why do you think Josst and I wanted to make a statue? We were upset with the peace decision, made at least without my knowledge, and wished to compensate. To "slap them around some more", something which our faction later, and very graciously to the MotN, rejected. That, which you claim as "bullying" and "lacking respect", is in fact the very disregard for justice you feel is completely fine with the Northerners, as long as it is bluntly acknowledged. We could have had similar reasons for war, and I was pushing for a renewal of conflict anyways... that would have made you happier than had we not acted until after the Northmen proceeded to kill a Dwarf? Have you considered that they might have apologized or offered to return my lost items, and the entire conflict would have been avoided? How is that for respect, when it became clear I went in the wrong direction accidently.
I can assure you though, I fully believe we are in the right and I tend to be an honest person whether you believe it or not - after pages of argument there's not much more to say on it. Part of mature life is learning that others will have different perspectives, and if you believe that a nation shouldn't retaliate after such actions, fair enough. But we don't need legitimate grounds to attack - nor do the Northmen it seems - we choose to do so in our benevolence. Hell, if no one believed our grounds were legitimate they're next to useless aren't they? You attack our reasons, but for what? If you don't like them, feel free to ignore and pretend we're acting like the Northmen. But to suggest that if our actions are not entirely up to your personal views of justice, we should disregard it entirely, is as dangerous as it is fallacious, if applied on a greater level.
I think I've had about enough with this matter, and I've certainly written enough. As the Northmen often say, if it weren't for them this server would be very uneventful. Probably true, but whenever we declare war ourselves (and it was the same for the goblin war), the criticism never ceases. Hopefully a day will come when we might act in ways befitting our soverign position, without an immediate reactionary response. The cold war has apparently not ended, and will not, as long as the primary purpose of the Brotherhood is to constrain the Dwarven Empire.
Yeah about slapping us some more, tell me how that went when you attacked our four warriors with your seven?
Hail the glorious dwarven victory!
You guys are missing the most important thing. Prussia is superior to everyone else.
Why would we give up the well fortified position? That's just idiotic, especially when the enemy almost outnumbered us 2 to 1. Though seeing as the Dwarves went swimming up a lava flow and committed suicide by jumping of a cliff, many lulz were had.
Last thing at the Dwarves, you're lucky Green has exams and simply doesn't have the time to fight a war. If I would have had it my way you wouldn't have gotten away with it so lightly.
At benz, apologies for shooting you. I wasn't sure who you were and what your intentions were, so I just started shooting you, with the idea of better safe than sorry.
Last edited by Pat89; May 07, 2012 at 01:59 AM.
I like that both factions complain against each other about the fact that ''Oh you guys are all offline and than suddenly log in''. Just wanted to point out that every time i was on, the MOTN where also on.
Also wanted to say that we started building on a new temple. This temple is an Earth Temple. Hail the ground and the master of Dirt!
Scribo ergo sum.
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