Warhounds.

**Hercules18** · December 08, 2011, 04:08 PM

Well that's just to bad I guess

**alreadyded** · December 08, 2011, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules18

Well that's just to bad I guess

If you want wardogs, just add them in. There is already a dog unit in the vanilla TATW files, you just have to give it ownership to whichever faction and make it recruitable from whatever building you want. Or make a new building called dog kennels and make the replenishment high. The only peoples that actually trained dogs as units for the battlefield were the Romans, and they used them sparingly. Most other cultures used them mostly as scouts, guards, etc. but did use them in battle when necessary (to little effect). Britannia had Bull Mastiffs that were not trained for battles, but used them due to their size and strength to good effect against other puny dogs of the day, even the large Roman variety.

Personally I don't think the unit fits too well, and there are only few mentions in real life, but it is probably more realistic for Eriador (who shouldn't really even be a faction) to have them for a protection/defensive unit than anyone else. Just make them a rare unit and it shouldn't be a big deal. It is not that no one ever used them, it is that they were not trained or used specifically for battle, which means not on a great scale. So one or two units per full stack should work fine if you really want them.

Large groups of different sized bears did help the Beornings and Woodsmen in the Vales of Anduin, and fought battles with them against Wargs and Orcs. And the Great Eagles helped a few times of course.

Here is a link to my work, I added pretty much everything there is in terms of viable creatures in ME. Even bears and eagles. Not wardogs though

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**Eohelm** · December 08, 2011, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by alreadyded

If you want wardogs, just add them in. There is already a dog unit in the vanilla TATW files, you just have to give it ownership to whichever faction and make it recruitable from whatever building you want. Or make a new building called dog kennels and make the replenishment high. The only peoples that actually trained dogs as units for the battlefield were the Romans, and they used them sparingly. Most other cultures used them mostly as scouts, guards, etc. but did use them in battle when necessary (to little effect). Britannia had Bull Mastiffs that were not trained for battles, but used them due to their size and strength to good effect against other puny dogs of the day, even the large Roman variety.

Personally I don't think the unit fits too well, and there are only few mentions in real life, but it is probably more realistic for Eriador (who shouldn't really even be a faction) to have them for a protection/defensive unit than anyone else. Just make them a rare unit and it shouldn't be a big deal. It is not that no one ever used them, it is that they were not trained or used specifically for battle, which means not on a great scale. So one or two units per full stack should work fine if you really want them.

Large groups of different sized bears did help the Beornings and Woodsmen in the Vales of Anduin, and fought battles with them against Wargs and Orcs. And the Great Eagles helped a few times of course.

Here is a link to my work, I added pretty much everything there is in terms of viable creatures in ME. Even bears and eagles. Not wardogs though

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It isn't everyday that something this cool/helpful pops out of a thread on just speculation and lore-questions. +rep for helpfulness and effort, mate. This is cool.

**alreadyded** · December 08, 2011, 08:03 PM

Thinking more into it, it would make complete sense for an Eriador unit. Eriador has lots of wolves, which means the people living there would want to have lots of dogs for warning and protection. Plus you have raiding Orcs and all manner of shady folk... so guard dogs would be very desirable and in no short supply to those peoples. But like I said, they shouldn't be the backbone of your army, just a rare side unit to throw into the mix. Kinda like the Hobbits I guess. I am guessing KK was planning to do just that, which is why the wardogs are already in. In a way it will be more lore accurate than most of the other Eriador units. Maybe AOR only in Bree? I think I might add something like that in my mod

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**Hercules18** · December 09, 2011, 02:04 AM

That would be amazing!!!!

I loved the war dogs in Rome total war, like you said mostly as a side unit, they were great at chasing fleeing enemys down. Perhaps fleeing Orcs!!!

**Dwarven Berserker** · December 09, 2011, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules18

I loved the war digs in Rome

War digs? Is that war pig/war dog hybrid?

**Hercules18** · December 09, 2011, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dwarven Berserker

War digs? Is that war pig/war dog hybrid?

haha my bad

was typing in a hurry.....my check too see if 3.0 was released alarm went off

**Baron Samedi** · December 09, 2011, 07:10 AM

Here is the dog unit alreadyded was referring to. Warning: they have a pointy nose though

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**Ngugi** · December 09, 2011, 08:29 AM

Rhino-dogs is the killer in ME

**Enarec** · December 09, 2011, 09:19 AM

Dogs with a birds beak

I quite like them, though.

**Hercules18** · December 09, 2011, 01:38 PM

Don't quite understand the pointy nose but I think they could be a great addition with alittle work

**alreadyded** · December 09, 2011, 02:35 PM

I used my wolf models and animations to make Wolfhounds. Descendants of domesticated wolves that can be trained in kennels by good/neutral and non Orc factions.