Amazon: Total War 6.0 Release

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We are now experimenting with auto-generated script, anyone who would like to test the script, please PM me.

You don't need to re-download the mod, just a simple app which generates script and/or script itself.

[naftykid]

It seems that some of the battle group name in ATW are in German such as: Kampfgruppen, etc... Are you guys Germans?

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It seems that some of the battle group name in ATW are in German such as: Kampfgruppen, etc... Are you guys Germans?

Yes, some members are of German descent but do not live in Germany.

The more appropriate reasons to use German description are

a. According to anthropological papers, the Amazons are supposed to be the progenitors of modern
day Northern Europeans. These are the Norse or Goth related tribes.
b. we need to make a departure from Greco-Roman mod,
the word Germany (or Germania) is more of a Roman geographic term,
the modern German people are actually mostly Gothic People, who are from the Caucasus Mountain
and the Black Sea regions east of Dacia at the time (300BC).
As a matter of fact, there is an Amazon faction in the Amazon Total War called Geothe.
c. the tactics of cavalry with stand-off capability are more Panzer Tactics oriented,
and there is no equivalent term in modern warfare to describe it.
For example, you can not call the Amazon Battle Group, an armored brigade, or mechanized regiment.
But Kampfgruppen is the most fitting way to describe the unit tactics.

Also the royal titles for Amazon Factions with monarchy are German based too. The leader or heir of one of the Amazon monarchies is called Herzogin. The member of a patrician caste (in the ruling class) is called a Kurfürst (or Elector).

[naftykid]

I've read Herodotus's The History Book 4. It said that the Thyssagetae is a "numerous nation quite distinct from any other, and living by the chase." (Book IV, chapter 22) . but this book didn't give any clue about Thyssagetae was an Amazon nation or not. This chapter even said that: "The hunter climbs a tree, the whole country abounding in wood, and there sets himself in ambush; he has a dog at hand, and a horse, trained to lie down upon its belly, and thus make itself low; the hunter keeps watch, and when he sees his game, lets fly an arrow; then mounting his horse, he gives the beast chase, his dog following hard all the while.". So there are men who lived in the Thyssagetae society, and Herodotus didn't mention anything about their women. If Thyssagetae was an Amazon nation, women were much more likely to be mention first, not men, because a society like that is a unusual thing.
So for now, I still don't know what source that you guys based to make the Thyssa Amazon. I don't want to critic you guys, your mods is great, but I just want to know how can you create the Thyssa amazon because of my curiousity.

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I've read Herodotus's The History Book 4. It said that the Thyssagetae is a "numerous nation quite distinct from any other, and living by the chase." (Book IV, chapter 22) . but this book didn't give any clue about Thyssagetae was an Amazon nation or not. This chapter even said that: "The hunter climbs a tree, the whole country abounding in wood, and there sets himself in ambush; he has a dog at hand, and a horse, trained to lie down upon its belly, and thus make itself low; the hunter keeps watch, and when he sees his game, lets fly an arrow; then mounting his horse, he gives the beast chase, his dog following hard all the while.". So there are men who lived in the Thyssagetae society, and Herodotus didn't mention anything about their women. If Thyssagetae was an Amazon nation, women were much more likely to be mention first, not men, because a society like that is a unusual thing.
So for now, I still don't know what source that you guys based to make the Thyssa Amazon. I don't want to critic you guys, your mods is great, but I just want to know how can you create the Thyssa amazon because of my curiousity.

You are asking a great question, but first of all, you need to do research in the original Greek text and determine whether "'he' gives the beast chase" meant someone (who is a hunter) gave the beast chase, or the original text actually states έδωσε καταδίωξη, meaning a man who gave chase.

Second of all, you need to read the white paper and the cultural background of this mod more thoroughly.
You would know that Thyssagetae is a term coined by the Greek to mean "land ruled by white army", and the domain is currently established to be what demarcate the plain steppe and the forest steppe.
And from anthropology extrapolation and archaeological finding of this area in modern day Russia, woman is actually equal in status if not higher in their society. Of course, no one can know that fact for certain, meaning I can not, and certainly neither can anyone quoting scant description of Thyssagetae by Herodotus.

By reading some of the replies I posted in this forum, you would also know that our dev-team regards History as "His Story", and this mod is about "Her Story" based on anthropology and archaeology. So the last source we would go to is Herodotus, or worse, a translated Herodotus. Depending on how many times the text you read have been translated or re-interpreted, even if the original text states a hunter gave chase to the beast, the translation can stereotype such a hunter into a male cast, by someone sitting in a Greco-Roman library or some medieval priests who can not imagine or were forbidden to write a woman as the hunter mentioned.

As I have said time and time again, for the last 2,500 years, male historians have been very busy vilifying and nullifying female's role in the matriarchal society in order to maintain the stereotype of male dominance in the society. the Greek have encountered the Amazons, but their record of Amazon is more to serve as a warning to their own womenfolks on what not to do. In general, in patriarchal societies, including our own, female are taught to follow and the male is supposed to lead. But we can go back to 40,000 year in human existence, the majority of that existence is matriarchal, meaning females are the ruling class as well as the keeper/protector of their community. Males are either roaming, or only feel obligated to defend or to provide for a community because of the male's desire to mate and to produce offspring. Analyzing the so-called "Quest Hero"s in Greek mythology, names like Jason, Herakles, Achilles, Ulysses, they all spent a great deal of their lifetime wondering about, marauding in foreign places, sire children, but otherwise kill, rape, and pillage. To put it mildly, they are really glorified bands of mercenaries or bandits.

There is, however, a definitive false assumption in your statement, you are assuming that because the Amazon society is a women society, therefore the existence of male should not be allowed. This is a very extreme view of the Amazons. The anthropological thesis I have advanced states that Amazon is not a tribe nor a nation, they are a vast organization of a sisterhood, almost a religious order which signifies the oath sworn by Camilla's father for his daughter that a maiden is to surrender her own life for the protection of her community or her friends. And such maiden is more at ease in equestrianism and combat than house-chores.

So it would make a lot easier if you can read all the relevant postings in this forum first and then do your own research on what Herodotus really said.

[naftykid]

Great answer, and archaeology will give us more answer in the future. I'm a bookworm, but not know ancient Greek and Roman as much as your dev-team.

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I re-worded the previous reply I provided to give more precise definition and explanations.

[moivao]

awesome new

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awesome new

Thank You!

[Bonez]

Umm, I am coming here, probably not the right place, to ask first off what version is best to get myself into the mod, and what faction is the easiest if I want to do a quick and simple campaign to get a feel for the differences and see the new units?

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Umm, I am coming here, probably not the right place, to ask first off what version is best to get myself into the mod, and what faction is the easiest if I want to do a quick and simple campaign to get a feel for the differences and see the new units?

I am not sure about the right place or not. This is the thread to discuss the latest release, that is 6.0J Patch 2a.

As for the best version, each version has something added and bugs corrected. I would say the 6.0J Patch2A is the most stable and had most of the bugs corrected, and so on. I really can not say which one is the "best" to get into.

Every mod has a battle mode and a campaign mode, so get to know the tactical specialty of each unit, all you need is to select a faction in the battle mode, and select units you would like to test out and select opponent's units you would like to test against. And see for yourself.
Most players survive and thrive in the mod has a working tactical doctrine. In other words, you need to have combination of units working for your best advantage at different stage of your faction's growth. Particularly in the beginning which is usually the weakest stage of your faction.

This mod is about Amazons, so selecting non-Amazon or none Neo-Amazon (Armenian, Sarmatian and Carthage, for example) probably won't work well. There is one Amazon demo faction call the Geothe faction, which starts with full Amazon capability. But even that faction has its strategical challenges.

You can also gather hints at the related readings from the OP (the first post of this thread).

[Bonez]

Alright, also I think you have a great approach to answering the question but I knew most of that. Basically I was asking which faction gave you the best feel for what the mod is supposed to be played like, and I'll probably go with this the latest version as the download.

Answer to my question as you said it, play an Amazon faction.

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Alright, also I think you have a great approach to answering the question but I knew most of that. Basically I was asking which faction gave you the best feel for what the mod is supposed to be played like, and I'll probably go with this the latest version as the download.

Answer to my question as you said it, play an Amazon faction.

Well, each Amazon factions are similar in certain ways but also quite different in their own ways. They are definitely not the same faction with different geographic locations.

1. Geothe Amazon is the theocracy
2. Themiskyran Amazon is the faction most well known by the Greek.
3. Thyssa Amazon was the sister nation of the Geothe Amazon, but became a monarchy guarding the border region of the plain steppe and the forest steppe.
4. Libyan Amazon was a lost segment of the Amazon Federation.

You can also play Armenia, Sarmatia, or Carthage. These three factions can ended up like Amazon factions, but their diplomat can not raise an army behind the enemy lines.

[Bonez]

Is there a place where I can find features? Diplomats raising armies behind lines?

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Is there a place where I can find features? Diplomats raising armies behind lines?

Here are the documents from Forum

1. Weapon Description [here]
2. Background Description [here]
3. Balanced Unit Modeling [here]
4. Diplomat Raising Army Behind Enemy Lines [here]

You can also visit the TWC Wiki [here]

Other features including Quests, Summons, and Minor Prizes.

[Bonez]

You are being very nice and patient with me, thanks.

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welcome!

and have fun with the mod!

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This is to let everyone know that we are still working on different prototypes of auto-generated script.

The 6.0 series will be used for test bed, but the auto-gen script is mainly for the 7.0 release.

Thank all for your inquiries.

[naftykid]

After the Greek Cities was defeated, their faction successor became rebel general, I bribed him and made him the faction successor, then the faction ruler. But this impossible thing happened:
He could married another man and that marriage even born a girl: Protis the Engineer. In 69 BCE, she was 53.
I have no idea how could that thing happen. A gay marriage that took place in the ancient time, and that two man could even make a child.
See the screenshot below:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

(Note: apart from Protis, all of the three remaining children of that couple are turncoat roman and gauls, and two of them became the king after the lucky and mighty Greek king who rule an all women empired had died).
BTW, I like to make turncoat generals king, just for fun. Native amazons only rule their empire for about 4,5 ruler generations. After that, nearly all of the ruler are foreigners. The first of them was an armenian right after his faction was wiped out. I thought he didn't hate us for defeat his nation because he was made the ruler of all of his former foe included armenians. Armenians kept ruling armenians. Then I saw a Seleucid general who was made homeless because Thermodon Amazon had taken over his kingdom. He became the next faction ruler, but he could only enjoy his throne about 5 year because of his age. Now, I didn't want to fight the Egyptian at that time and turned my army to the balkan front. This peninsula now a battle field between Greeks, Macedonians, Gauls, Romans, Celts and Geothe Amazons. But Romans Celts and Macedonians were soon made no longer enemies for the remaining factions here. It was a long and bloody war. I could only take all of Balkan in the late game. I headed north and west for the Gauls and Thyssa. The next three or four kings (I didn't remember how many because the family tree was too cumbersome) were Gauls. Now most of Europe were in Amazon rule. Celts became wealthy because of their long time of peace and started attack the european mainland. I bribed some of them and soon had Celtic kings. These rulers betrayed their own kind brutally, their former nation was wiped out under their hands. My next victims were in the east, they are Egypts and Parthians. Pathians was defeated easily. Their hordes attacked Egyptians and these two factions no longer a threat because they were fighting each other. Parthians razed Alexandria. My army now have border with them. Although having a city, the end of Parthian empire is coming. After the king died, Parthians was thrown in to the garbage of history peacefully. Egyptian had a more painful dead about ten years later, their killer came for both west and east. Now, in Italia, Gauls took over half of Romans land but they couldn't hold it for long. I bribed the general who lead most of Gaulish army in Italia while he was heading south. After became king, he continued his adventure. Rome lied in the hand of barbarians. SPQR was reduced to Sardinia. The only general left in Italian turncoated and ruled Geothe Amazon after the man who razed his empire died. he put an end to both Carthage and his kind. Another amazon faction, Libyan ate the Iberians. The remaining land of Gaul now were attacked both from north and south. They became horde and all of them was killed near Androphagia. Greeks attacked me to gain their lost territory but failed. Their history as an independent kingdom end here. Their successor became the gay ruler of their enemy. Now, the weakest factions, Scythians and Sarmatians, have to die. Scythian died first, then Sarmatians horde. They have a tough and long war, gaining and losing land with me. Unbelievable! They was decimated in Siwa! I fight another long war with Libyan and rule the world after 201 years from 270 BCE. What a fight!

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Well, welcome to the world where the original game engine is presumptive and only allowed man to be the named character with any game functions.
Subrosa changed that and made the Amazon culture in such way that the woman character is actually man.

But the change has never been able to address the bribed general issue where all the non-Amazon named characters are male.

You have reported a bug, but the bug is also the oldest known bug since Amazon Total War was created.

I can not promise any workable solution, perhaps we can configure the rebel to be so hateful of the Amazons, they will never be bribed.