Evolution into energy

[dashizller]

This is directly inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey.

To my knowledge, the Theory of Evolution plus the idea of Natural Selection go something like this: Genetic mutations give a member of a certain species something unique. Natural Selection says on average the ones with positively affecting mutations will tend to outlive the one with negatively affecting mutations. For instance a bird may develop a sharper peak while another gets a blunt beak. The sharper beaked bird will have a greater chance at picking worms out from tree bark, etc. while the blunt beaked one will have great trouble. The sharper beaked bird will reproduce and his mutation will spread. Of course this would happen to multiple birds at once.

With that background knowledge (again, a very basic knowledge) I'm thinking whether or not something could become energy entirely.

First, I know that all things exist as either matter or energy. Nothing can really disappear without going into theoretical stuff like different dimensions, etc.

Second, I know that the human body, the pinnacle at this moment of Evolution on Earth, is far from perfect. We could have better everything. Who likes tooth decay anyway? Who likes hemorrhages? AIDS?

Clearly, the body is an undesirable factor. Bodies are what kill us, since we are the body. Everybody dies. But do we exist as our thoughts or as our bodies? Ultimately, millions of years into evolution from now if humans (by that time it will be the descendants of humans) have nearly everything they need, i.e. immunities for every disease, super-speed, etc, but still die of old age, would Evolution turn us into energy?

Evolution is about biology. Evolution only affects living things. If one goes by the idea that we exists as our bodies and we turned into energy, we would not be living. If one goes by the idea that we exist as our thoughts, we would be living organisms and affected by Evolution.

In conclusion: Could we evolve past our fragile existences as matter (in another possible case as machine-human hybrid, which would eventually break down) into energy with thoughts? Does evolution affect energy with thoughts?

I have to add: The only way I would ever believe in a God is if he is the sole survivor of a species which evolved into him.

[Valentin the II]

This is directly inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey.

1.To my knowledge, the Theory of Evolution plus the idea of Natural Selection go something like this: Genetic mutations give a member of a certain species something unique. Natural Selection says on average the ones with positively affecting mutations will tend to outlive the one with negatively affecting mutations. For instance a bird may develop a sharper peak while another gets a blunt beak. The sharper beaked bird will have a greater chance at picking worms out from tree bark, etc. while the blunt beaked one will have great trouble. The sharper beaked bird will reproduce and his mutation will spread. Of course this would happen to multiple birds at once.

2.Clearly, the body is an undesirable factor. Bodies are what kill us, since we are the body. Everybody dies. But do we exist as our thoughts or as our bodies? Ultimately, millions of years into evolution from now if humans (by that time it will be the descendants of humans) have nearly everything they need, i.e. immunities for every disease, super-speed, etc, but still die of old age, would Evolution turn us into energy?

3.Evolution is about biology. Evolution only affects living things. If one goes by the idea that we exists as our bodies and we turned into energy, we would not be living. If one goes by the idea that we exist as our thoughts, we would be living organisms and affected by Evolution.

4.In conclusion: Could we evolve past our fragile existences as matter (in another possible case as machine-human hybrid, which would eventually break down) into energy with thoughts? Does evolution affect energy with thoughts?

Lets break this down, shal we:

1. No, it doesnt work like this. Evolution doesnt go the other way.
If the other berd diveloped the blunt beak it must have a purpes.
The most important factor in evolution is the invyorment.
For instance, the dinosaurs whoold still roam the earth if not for the meteor.
They were very powerfull and specialised to their enviorment but once their enviorment disapierd, they got extinct. But the less powerfull/specialised, more adapteble mamels servived.

2.Ferst of all, we canot evolve to be perfect, there are sings we just canot achiev.
For instance: the viruses evolve with us, so there will alwais be a deadly plaig among us.
Second: no. Simple, evolution canot go biond the borders of the living.
And becaws raw energy is not considerd to be a life form, it is beond the grasp of evolution.

3. se above .

4. Evolution does efect our saughts as it efects our mind but I doubt it efects enrgy.
For more info see above .

Intresting fact: Neandertals had a brain larger then ours by 13% :original: .

[dashizller]

Oh gosh, there goes my hypothesis. Is there anything remotely similar to this that's scientifically plausible?

[Aemilianus]

Well, if you believe we exist as thoughts (which in my mind are energy) then when we die we're freed of that body and continue existing as "energy with thoughts". By that token, we're evolving by the very action of our bodies dying. I think you can really only apply the Theory of Evolution to something that dies, as without death there can be no removal of the so-called undesirable gene. If the "un-dying" organism continues to reproduce, then nothing has evolved, and if neither can reproduce, the status quo remains the same and nothing has evolved, per se.

With regard to God- that is a question that eats at me a lot, and I would say that you can't definitively say that there is or isn't a God, there is no proof. You'd have to use a philosophical argument- if God, the all powerful, is created by an evolution of something into him, then where did that species come from, and where did the universe which created said species come from? I think at best there is some kind of force that deals with all that, likely one nobody really knows about.

[Kino]

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[Valentin the II]

There are theories that people made of energy will eventually evolve once all biological life dies out in the universe. Somewhere near stars I think it was, energy will evolve into conscious beings.

I think it would be lonely for them and their way of think would be completely foreign. Interesting to think about though.

Intresting thought.
"and their way of think would be completely foreign"- What did you mean by that?

I think God is a all encompassing entity that when bored tinkers from time to time with humans and other Alien races in this and other dimensions to amuse itself. That's just my human perspective, I'm sure what God really thinks completely foreign to me, like those energy beings.

That's why (in my own belief) God became human to experience life and send a message as a human being. I'm not sure if God is omnipotent or not, I tend to think God has complete power of the universe and existence but not perfect, or doesn't want to be perfect.

Not the right thread nor forum for this.
Aniway: god (if he exists) should'nt have any "human" atrebutes, so how can it become human. I theorise that "God" as we call it (yes it ), is actualy raw energy with a mind.
Similar to your theory I think that raw energy evolved (probably in another dimention) into a conscious being, thus creating GOD.

EDIT: Now that I read it, it sounds preaty stuped. Whatever...

[Kino]

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