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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    hi, not sure if the mod go that far, but their were a knight order named "order of the ermine" ("Urzh an Erminig" in Breton, "ordre de l'hermine" in french) founded in 1381...
    about the "coursiers" mabye give "duchy of brittany" a larger choice of medium cavalry.... (is their a difference of speed between light, medium and heavy cavalry in the game? cause that could make the difference)

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    oh, and about the names, the Breton for knight or cavalier is "marc'heg" ("marc'hegion" if plural)

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    good to have breton speaker interested, this dialect is like chinese for me...


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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    I'm not really breton speaker, i got few bases but it's no chinese to me (which is good because i'm studying chinese lol), i can help a little with that, like the name of the cities, regions of brittany...

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    Here are the breton names for the mains cities (and the region name)

    Vannes: Gwened (Bro Wened) (3rd in population)
    Rennes: Roazhon (Bro Roazhon) (probably the 2nd biggest city)
    Nantes: Naoned (Bro naoned) (capital, probably the biggest city, the ducal castle was there)
    St-Malo: Sant-Maloù (Bro Sant-Maloù)
    Dol: Dol (Bro Zol) (bishopric, fortress)
    Saint-Pol de Leon: Kastell paol (Bro Leon) (kastell mean castle, so probably fortress)
    Quimper: Kemper (Bro Gernev)
    St-Brieuc: Sant-Brieg (Bro Sant-Brieg) (the cathedral was finished in 1248)
    Tréguier: Landreger (Bro Dreger)
    Those are the nine traditional country of brittany.
    I also got some maps: the nine countries and there capital location, the demographie of XV century and the location of the nobility in the XV century (i can't find map for the century before but it still can help).
    I have also the symbol of every countries (so you'll have something to make title, like "count of....").
    let me now if you need those map and symbol
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    Thank you very much for the list and information, a rep is well deserved
    Do you think you have some information regarding their army composition?

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    I got the same thing that have been said before, 2500 men at arm, 400 knights (900 to 1350 cavaliers), that's from the book: "la chevalerie bretonne et la formation de l'armée ducale 1260-1341" (bretron chivalry and the ducal army formation 1260-1341" not sure for the translation). It's says that on the century before there were a lot more, but the number of knights decrease because of economic problems (the number of squire increase proportionally). Also, breton seems to give more than 8% of the royal army each time they were summoned (when they answered).
    So i think of a lot of cavalry (which seems logic, before this period, each time french/franks tried to annex brittany, there were finally repulsed by cavalry), also, breton cavalry were mentioned in some battle (but not the infantry)...

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    Here are some map for brittany (at least i hope i managed to put them in the message)
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 1329140254103.jpg   1329140280785.jpg   Carte_bretagne_moyen_age.gif  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riwallon View Post
    Here are some map for brittany (at least i hope i managed to put them in the message)
    Thanks, mate!

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    the first one is the population in XV century (it's in family chief by km², when it's white it's because there is no data)
    the second is the number of noble families by parish (it's also for the XV century, sorry i can't find map for the centuries before)
    the third show the 9 traditional countries of brittany with the location of the main city in each one (it's in french so you'll have to use the translation i gave you below)

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    here is a more precise one for the frontiers of the countries (but no cities on this one)
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    hi, here are some breton names for units : english : breton (plural)
    -bowmen : saezher(ien) ; or gwareger(ien) (i think the first one is older, it's like the welsh one)
    -crossbowman : kroazwareger(ien)
    -cavalier : marc'heger(ien)
    -knight : marc'heg (marc'heien) (it’s an irregular plural)
    -cavalry : marc'hegiezh (ex :marc'hegiezh aerel= light cavalry)
    -infantry : troadegiezh (ex :troadegiezh aerel = light infantry)
    -spearman : goafer (ien)
    -hallebarder : halabarder(ien)
    -javeliner : goaf-banner (ien)
    -axeman : bouc’haler(ien)
    -swordman : klezeier (ien)
    -peasant : kouer(ien)
    - mounted…. : …. war varc'h (the adjectif is after the noun)
    -dismounted…. : ….. war droad (dismounted knights : marc’heien war droad)
    hope it can help....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riwallon View Post
    hi, here are some breton names for units : english : breton (plural)
    -bowmen : saezher(ien) ; or gwareger(ien) (i think the first one is older, it's like the welsh one)
    -crossbowman : kroazwareger(ien)
    -cavalier : marc'heger(ien)
    -knight : marc'heg (marc'heien) (it’s an irregular plural)
    -cavalry : marc'hegiezh (ex :marc'hegiezh aerel= light cavalry)
    -infantry : troadegiezh (ex :troadegiezh aerel = light infantry)
    -spearman : goafer (ien)
    -hallebarder : halabarder(ien)
    -javeliner : goaf-banner (ien)
    -axeman : bouc’haler(ien)
    -swordman : klezeier (ien)
    -peasant : kouer(ien)
    - mounted…. : …. war varc'h (the adjectif is after the noun)
    -dismounted…. : ….. war droat (dismounted knights : marc’heien war droad)
    hope it can help....
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    oh i realised that i made a mistake: dismounted = war droad and not war droat (it's a D not a T)
    sorry for that

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    great! +rep
    Though, halberders should be "voulgiers", or somewhat. Those men were mercenaries in Central-Italia around 1350. And very similars to the french heavy infantry. The Voulge(at least the french-briton) have nothing to see with an axe, its even more simple like a shafted falchion, or shafted long knive.

    All agreed about the light cavalry, thats the major trait of the breton army.



    from a 15th's related french text, about breton Voulgiers
    " juzarmier (voulgier) en brigandine"

    "juzarmier" means guisarme user.
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    oh what i posted was all the breton's names for medieval armies i was able to find, some would probably not be accurate for this mod, i don't think they used a lot of axes for example (though i'm not sure), but i put it just in case, same for halberders...
    if others name are needed i can probably find them.

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    a few more things,
    Duke of Brittany = Dug Breizh
    Duchy of Brittany = Dukelezh Breizh
    for the names of the duke:
    french name/ breton name (born-died / rule date)
    -Pierre 1er"Mauclerc" de Dreux / Pêr 1añ "Brizhkloareg" (1191-1250 / 1213-1237)
    -Jean 1er "le roux" / Yann 1añ "Ar rouz" (1217-1286 / 1237-1286)
    -Jean 2 / Yann 2 (1239-1305 / 1286-1305)
    -Arthur 2 / Arzhur 2 (1261-1312 / 1305-1312)
    -Jean 3 "le bon" / Yann 3 "Ar mat" (1286-1341 / 1312-1341)
    here come the succession civil war so there are two duke
    -jean de Monfort / Yann Moñforzh (1294-1345 / 1341-1345) (allied with England, wants independance) -Charles de Blois / Charlez Bleaz (1319-1364 / 1341-1345) (allied with France, wants brittany to be a part of the French Kingdom)
    -jean 4 "le conquéreur" / Yann 4 (1339-1399 / 1365-1399) He is the son of Yann Moñforzh (he was raised in England), from 1345 to 1364 he is at war with Charlez Bleaz and they both considered themself as the true duke. In 1364 he defeat and kill Charlez Bleaz in Auray, the succession civil war end with the victory of the Breton allied to England.
    -Jean 5 / Yann 5 (1389-1442 / 1399-1442)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riwallon View Post
    a few more things,
    Duke of Brittany = Dug Breizh
    Duchy of Brittany = Dukelezh Breizh
    for the names of the duke:
    french name/ breton name (born-died / rule date)
    -Pierre 1er"Mauclerc" de Dreux / Pêr 1añ "Brizhkloareg" (1191-1250 / 1213-1237)
    -Jean 1er "le roux" / Yann 1añ "Ar rouz" (1217-1286 / 1237-1286)
    -Jean 2 / Yann 2 (1239-1305 / 1286-1305)
    -Arthur 2 / Arzhur 2 (1261-1312 / 1305-1312)
    -Jean 3 "le bon" / Yann 3 "Ar mat" (1286-1341 / 1312-1341)
    here come the succession civil war so there are two duke
    -jean de Monfort / Yann Moñforzh (1294-1345 / 1341-1345) (allied with England, wants independance) -Charles de Blois / Charlez Bleaz (1319-1364 / 1341-1345) (allied with France, wants brittany to be a part of the French Kingdom)
    -jean 4 "le conquéreur" / Yann 4 (1339-1399 / 1365-1399) He is the son of Yann Moñforzh (he was raised in England), from 1345 to 1364 he is at war with Charlez Bleaz and they both considered themself as the true duke. In 1364 he defeat and kill Charlez Bleaz in Auray, the succession civil war end with the victory of the Breton allied to England.
    -Jean 5 / Yann 5 (1389-1442 / 1399-1442)
    Thanks for the info, now we have pretty much everything needed for Britanny.

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    Nice, great to hear that... just ask if something more is needed...
    and one more thing, about the faction symbol, i think the "kroaz du" (black cross on white background) was what represented Brittany, the black ermine on white background was the symbol of the duke, but not of Brittany. Ermine were progressively added to the black cross symbol, but there were no ermine at that time.
    I'm very impressed by what you did so far, keep up the good job :-)

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    I was thinking about something, what about giving Breton a cavalry with a big charge bonus, normal attack, less armor than french heavy cav? this cav would be cheaper than the heavy cav (so the player would probably do a lot of it) and because of the lack of armor it would not be able to stay engage for a long time (so the player would be force to charge, withdraw and charge again. Which was the tactics of breton armies)
    Also a javeline cav with correct fighting skills could be interesting (it's was strategy used by breton since they arrived in brittany, but i can't be sure it was still used at this time...)

    sorry for the English

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