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    hamilton is the only unit maker?or st.polycarpe too ll make some factions?

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    It will depend, some of the other team members have unit making skills (including poly) but Hams units are of exceptional quality, so he's taken the workload really. If it becomes to much for him then other team members will contribute im sure. For now however, i believe, all of the units you've seen our Hams creations. We're taking it one step at a time, we're gona do the British factions, which Ham believes hes more than capable of handling. As lots of other work is going on as well including maps, scripts and codes, we are not waiting on units so there are no serious time limits on when the next one needs created. After the british isles are done, we will discus in detail the plans for the rest of the factions and who will do what

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    I can do something for Bretagne, if the team accept my modest contribution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    I can do something for Bretagne, if the team accept my modest contribution.
    Accepted!! We would be honoured to have your help. What did you have in mind?

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    unit making
    about the "400", check if that don't include the "alleux" holders, I really doubt then 400 briton lords have been called at the same time.
    The Bretagne is well knew for its 'alleux', thats fiefs, but not noble ones. The holder was usually the equivalent of a mounted sergeant.


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    sounds good rus-bey. your units are always exceptional. And i will check into the "about the "400", check if that don't include the "alleux" holders, I really doubt then 400 briton lords have been called at the same time."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    I can do something for Bretagne, if the team accept my modest contribution.
    Modest? You are kidding me of course, your work is of excellent quality! Indeed, come on in.

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    please read, considerations of a guy about the Bretagne's division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
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    please read, considerations of a guy about the Bretagne's division.
    Thank you my friend, indeed we will take this into consideration, hmm around 8-10 regions will be given to Britanny (including small villages and castles).

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    how!
    effectively, I was counting 5 provinces big max
    No need the small villages:
    Vannes
    Rennes
    Nantes
    St-Malo
    Dol
    Brest
    Quimper
    St-Brieuc(they do have a cathedral-fortress!)

    Every mentionned city had at least ~ 5000 inhabitants at 1315
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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    how!
    effectively, I was counting 5 provinces big max
    No need the small villages:
    Vannes
    Rennes
    Nantes
    St-Malo
    Dol
    Brest
    Quimper
    St-Brieuc(they do have a cathedral-fortress!)

    Every mentionned city had at least ~ 5000 inhabitants at 1315
    It will be a combination of small villages and cities that will give a total of 8-10 regions but that's a good thing to mention regarding the population, will take this into account for some features.

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    hi every one,
    (first i apologize for my English)
    The army of Brittany should probably have a lot of cavalry, the Briton cavalry was known to throw javelins on enemies; feint retreat to isolate an enemy an then charge him from all size.
    They very often use this tactics against French infantry.
    The mod "la guerre de cent ans" give them no cavalry at all, witch i think is not historical.
    About the symbols: the "kroaz du" (means: "black cross") was use since 1188: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Kroaz_Du.svg

    after 1532 they used that : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier...gne_(1532).svg
    hope it can help a little...
    P.S.:Sorry i don't know how to post image

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riwallon View Post
    the Briton cavalry was known to throw javelins on enemies; feint retreat to isolate an enemy an then charge him from all size.
    I think that at the time of this mod, the light javelin cavalery did not exist anymore.
    But I can make a mistake.

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    Yeah, sorry for that, i thought the mod began earlier, if i got time i'll try to find something about this period.

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Duchy of Britanny

    Just a reminder, the mod starts in 1245 but I'm also interested in 1330, in the Hundred Years' War. I've checked quickly and some sources said they were very similar to French armies however with some Briton/Anglo-saxon influence such as longbow users.

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    Longbow users were english yeomen, as such troops were the objects of merchanding between the Ducs and the King(of England...)
    Peasants from central Bretagne used simple bows(hunt), though, its a crossbow which was needed to enter in the "guet"(the urban and sub-urban milicia).

    The core of the breton army was its "gentry" and its milicias.
    3 things I've noticed from books(for 1330-1400)
    Coursiers(mounted squires and small nobilility)
    Voulgiers( burgers and rich peasants)
    Crossbowmen(under the influence of their italian captains, they can form a milicia of heavy pavise crossbowmen, 1350)

    The high-nobility having its proper units, with permanent Masnade.
    Into the Masnade, you find again the Coursiers, in addition of crossbowmen and voulgiers directly paid by the lord(the count of Rohan, or the one of Leon, the Duke..etc).


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    Ok taken note, so basically, Bretagne was quite similar to the usual feudal French armies, for the longbowmen, I have an idea about it with an alliance script that if you are allied with England, you will get access to mercenaries longbowmen.

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    Yes exactly, the lone different point, it is the coursiers, who were more numerous than in francilian or angevin rosters. Thats over-number of medium horses lead the britons to use more intelligent technics than french against english raiders.

    Of course, all its a question of "choice", and the human briton player could make the mistake to want absolutly order a stupid charge of its 100 first vassals against 1000 english archers behind their stakes...
    In such case, Britons would be completly similar to Frenchmen.

    "alliance script", yes really needed, because a Duke loyal to the french king couldn't find one english longbowman to fight for him!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rus-Bey View Post
    Yes exactly, the lone different point, it is the coursiers, who were more numerous than in francilian or angevin rosters. Thats over-number of medium horses lead the britons to use more intelligent technics than french against english raiders.

    Of course, all its a question of "choice", and the human briton player could make the mistake to want absolutly order a stupid charge of its 100 first vassals against 1000 english archers behind their stakes...
    In such case, Britons would be completly similar to Frenchmen.

    "alliance script", yes really needed, because a Duke loyal to the french king couldn't find one english longbowman to fight for him!
    Taken into consideration, mate, "Coursiers", is that the proper name or you have a better one?

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    Hard to say because, they have various names according texts: sergeants, stipendiarii, gentilhommes, cuyers, hoberaux or just equites...etc but those ones are more social categories and lot of small nobles/rich peasants would be also heavy infantrymen.

    "Coursiers" have the interest to give a technic difference(celerity and agility), and also this kind of horse wasn't affordable by non-fighter peoples. Its well an ancient race of briton horses crossed with spanish or arab horses at the back from the Crusades.
    Rich peasants of Bretagne also used enormous horses, but thats packhorses.
    I token this name from a 1320 feudal assise stipulating what kind of horses our dudes must had. Into this text they're named cuyers(squires)...
    Though, my book is in modern french, so lets expect an old-fashioned word

    Ethymology:

    Proven. corsier ; espagn. corcel ; ital. corsiere ; vulgar-lat. corserius ; from latin cursus


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