View Poll Results: Which Irish faction should be the main one?

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  • Kingdom of ┘'Neill

    36 63.16%
  • Kingdomf of Desmond

    17 29.82%
  • Other Irish faction

    4 7.02%
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Thread: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    Ok, let's go with another wip roster, food for thoughts (based on my guides):

    Lucht Tighe
    Unit Category: Retainers.
    Unit Role: Medium cavalry (Brawler) and bodyguard.

    Marcṡluag
    Unit Category: Household Nobles.
    Unit Role: Medium cavalry (Charger)

    Gilli na Sluag
    Unit Category: Men-at-Arms or Regulars (To discuss)
    Unit Role:Cavalry (To discuss)

    Marcra
    Unit Category: Regulars.
    Unit Role:Light Cavalry (To discuss)

    SaighdeoirÝ
    Unit Category: Warrior Levies.
    Unit Role:Archers (skirmishers)

    Ceithernn
    Unit Category: Warrior Levies.
    Unit Role:Light Infantry (Swordsmen)

    Ceithernn Javelinmen (Requires improved name)
    Unit Category: Warrior Levies.
    Unit Role:Light Infantry (Javelinmen)

    Ceithernn Spearmen (Requires improved name)
    Unit Category: Warrior Levies.
    Unit Role:Light Infantry (spearmen)

    Ceithernn Professional (Requires improved name)
    Unit Category: Regulars.
    Unit Role: To discuss.

    To discussion

    Gilli na Sluag are the squires and servant boys, therefore they may fall into the Men-at-Arms category unless said otherwise. For their role, in which way those men were fighting? Javelin cavalry perhaps?

    Marcra are Irish moutned soldiers, often mercs. Which fighting style they would have? Spear and then switch to swords and axes in melee?

    And the more professional footmen, which weapon style they would use? Glaive, one-handed weapons?

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    This list looks good, but your missing a two - handed axe unit and im not talking about gallowglass. Im pretty sure the two handed axe was extensively use from peasent to noble alike.
    Alse the "Macra" Should indeed use spears then switch to sword and axes. They used the spear overhand but i dont think you can represent that in this game

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    Quote Originally Posted by Dearg Doom View Post
    This list looks good, but your missing a two - handed axe unit and im not talking about gallowglass. Im pretty sure the two handed axe was extensively use from peasent to noble alike.
    Alse the "Macra" Should indeed use spears then switch to sword and axes. They used the spear overhand but i dont think you can represent that in this game
    Get Banzai's Rome animation pack - there are overhanded spear animations in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Storm View Post
    Get Banzai's Rome animation pack - there are overhanded spear animations in there
    Really? Fantastic! I'll get the animation pack right away thanks

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    Does this mean that the irish cav will use overhanded spear animations!?!?!
    If this is true i may kiss you poly

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    Quote Originally Posted by Dearg Doom View Post
    Does this mean that the irish cav will use overhanded spear animations!?!?!
    If this is true i may kiss you poly
    A good hand shake will be enough.
    There's indeed the animation in there so it will be possible to represent the overhanded spear.

    Also, for the pleasure of Ireland, you will be able to recruit and make your own Irish Galloglaigh but the Irish faction will have to meet specific conditions. will give you more information when we will show the Britannia campaign preview (which may happens soon ).

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    OMG This is the best day EVAR

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    Default Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    This site might be useful:

    http://claiomh.blogspot.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by BegottenMeridian View Post
    This site might be useful:

    http://claiomh.blogspot.ie
    Interesting, the arms and armors are more 14th-15th century but still good reference!

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    Icon3 Re: [Faction Research] Kingdom of ┘'Neill or Kingdom of Desmond

    Ah, I've posted the wrong date range.

    13th Century
    Topographia Hibernica and Expugnatio Hibernica (Topography of Ireland & Conquest of Ireland) by Giraldus Cambrensis in NLI Ms. 700
    Topographia Hibernica (Topography of Ireland) by Giraldus Cambrensis in Bodleian Library Ms. Laud. Misc. 720
    . Irish Warriors, 12th-13th century, by Ian Heath based on 'Topography of Ireland', 'Chapter House Liber A' & 'the Shrine of St. Manchßn, of Manghan'
    The tomb of Felim O'Connor (d.1265) at Roscommon Abbey
    . Islesmen or Gallˇglaich, 12th-14th Centuries by Ian Heath
    'Irish foot-soldier' Chapter House Liber A, London, England, late 13th century
    14th-15th Centuries
    Drawings of a cavalryman from the Magauran Duanaire, 14th century
    The Burke Galloglaich effigy at Glinsk in County Galway, late-14th century
    Lough Henney Helmet, late 14th-early 15th century

    A miniature of MacMorogh, the Irish chieftain, coming to confer with the Earl of Gloucester, 1399
    . Irish Kern, 14th-15th Centuries by Ian Heath
    . Irish Horseman c1400 by Ian Heath
    . Irish Chieftain, Art Oge Macmurrough Kavanagh, 14th-15th Centuries, by Ian Heath
    Effigy at Oronsay Priory, 14th or 15th century
    . Gallˇglaich, 14th-15th Centuries by Ian Heath
    Drawing of the remains of mural decoration in Holycross Abbey, Co. Tipperary, Ireland, late 14th-early 15th Centuries.
    Drawings on the wall of Abbey Knockmoy, Co. Galway, Ireland, 15th Century
    15th-century carving of a warrior displaying the arms of Butler, Jerpoint Abbey, County Kilkenny

    MIRROR SITES
    Illustrations of Irish Costume & Soldiers
    Illustrations of Irish Costume & Soldiers

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