[OT] Crusader Kings Westeros: Another Game, Same World

[ariobarzanes1388]

I used to be a pro at Ck1. I played as the Karstarks, got rickon to become my faction Leader and started a line of Starks and recaptured the North from Boltons. Then the bastards of Arryn attacked for no reason so I had to destroy them too. It was by far one of the best games I had played

As for CK 2, I was playing as the Earl of Buchan (Scotland) and it was boring as so I think I'll try what Skizbot said. thx for the suggestions

[Dux]

after resisting for a long time I finally bought this game on Steam. And I'm Loving it!

Btw: who of you have steam? add me, my name is Dux.

[lh197]

It's definitely worth buying I am currently the King of Ireland, somehow inherited most of Norway, and my heir is the Holy Roman Emperor, so when my current character dies I'm suddenly going to get thrown into a whole lot of independence wars at once. I like the unrest that starts up when you suddenly end up with a 10 year old faction leader replacing your tyrannical Kinslayer. I've pretty much been forced to imprison my entire extended family, and discovered that executing them makes everyone hate you I'm sure it'll all come crashing down around me soon, but it seems like that's gonna be one of the most fun bits.

[Dux]

Yea I know what you mean.
My heir is currently the heir to the Kingdom of Croatia and the Kingdom of Hungary and he is 5. I fear that when my character dies (74 and king of croatia, who just became the Great with 1106 prestige) I'm going to have a lot of problems, even more when when his mother (queen of hungary) dies. It was really a shame my oldest son was assassinated by another son He was a great man and prince consort of Hungary. How do you stop these assassinations, my spymaster was uncovering plots in his province, wait perhaps it was the spymaster who killed my son! that is possible right?

[lh197]

Yeah your spymaster can be a devious er. I haven't had anyone assassinated yet, although there were attempts when my original character died. Now though my King isn't too old, is filthy rich, and has 2900 prestige. So I figure I'll go to war with Scotland and with Norway at the same time and see how that goes
Also I was a big fan when my original Duke became known as 'The Dragon'

[Dux]

Ha nice.

Well the my previous King died at the age of 80, he was known as the great. His 6 year old grandson took over, and of course almost everyone rebelled. When I finally put the main rebellion down others rebelled again. Lucky I had enough gold to hire tons of mercs.
Now 10 year later the entire kingdom is back under my rule, my uncles, my brother and my nephews are almost all of them imprisoned. There is only one duke not imprisoned and he hates me 100.
Basically all my vassals hate me, but everyone who is count or duke (except for the one just mentioned) is rotting in my cell. My King is 16 and has already a prestige of 800.
How can I now stabilize my Kingdom? I can't banish all prisoners, as I have no vassals who like me left to give titles to. I also haven't got a son yet or brothers left. Should I just all execute them and claim all the titles myself? I can have 10 and there are about 12 regions in my Kingdom.

[Túrin_Turambar]

... Should I just all execute them and claim all the titles myself? I can have 10 and there are about 12 regions in my Kingdom.

(go on, do it!) (no, you must not do it!)

[lh197]

Can't you grant titles to your council, or invite some people who like you to your court? Also just revoke their titles but leave them to rot, if you banish them they can go to a friendly court to press their claim to their old titles.

[Dux]

Can't you grant titles to your council, or invite some people who like you to your court? Also just revoke their titles but leave them to rot, if you banish them they can go to a friendly court to press their claim to their old titles.

Thanks for the tip. Problem is that even everyone in my council hates me more that -40 I guess I made several wrong decisions regarding some traitors (executed some and then imprisoned their sons who were like 3 years old ). I think I just go revoking all the titles. When my mother dies I become King of Hungary as well, which means another long round of rebellions. If I control all of Croatia, then I have a powerful base for those wars.

@ turin: ah the dilemma! I love this game.

[lh197]

I'd say it seems likely your reign could end up being rather short but if you're gonna go down the tyrant route you'd better go the whole way King Aerys of Croatia?

One thing I'd love them to fix would be the timing of some of the events. I'd just started leading a major war against the King of Scotland for one isolated Irish province which they'd somehow taken over. I invaded the east coast of Scotland, was in the middle of a huge battle, then got a ing event pop up about the kind of jewellery I should by my wife

[Toho]

this game sounds interesting though a massive time sink. is this mod out for the new one yet or is that one still under construction? i dont want to touch the old one, it looks way too old.

[lh197]

The new one is still under development, and yes, it makes hours disappear at an alarming rate already. Once there's a westeros mod it'll be even worse.

[Skizbot]

How do you stop these assassinations, my spymaster was uncovering plots in his province, wait perhaps it was the spymaster who killed my son! that is possible right?

Once a plot is uncovered, go to the Intrigue tab (to the right of Military) and view the Known Plots. You can see who is targeting who. Click on the plotter and you can throw them in jail (no relation bonus to your vassals because you have a valid reason to do it). Or you can just tell them to end their plot. Ifyou are their liege, they will usually oblige and end it.

I do believe it is possible for your spymaster to kill people, though they would probably need a reason to. A good reason not to make your spymaster the guys who is 2nd or 3rd in line to the throne.

[Dux]

Once a plot is uncovered, go to the Intrigue tab (to the right of Military) and view the Known Plots. You can see who is targeting who. Click on the plotter and you can throw them in jail (no relation bonus to your vassals because you have a valid reason to do it). Or you can just tell them to end their plot. Ifyou are their liege, they will usually oblige and end it.

I do believe it is possible for your spymaster to kill people, though they would probably need a reason to. A good reason not to make your spymaster the guys who is 2nd or 3rd in line to the throne.

well unfortunatley he was the second in line for the throne. He is dead now tough, died in prison

[lh197]

I tried to get a spymaster who needed me. I got one where I was the only duke anywhere nearby who could press his claim to a county. Before I pressed his claim he was behaving himself because I was going to, once I pressed it he loved me anyway so I didn't need to worry

[Dux]

I tried to get a spymaster who needed me. I got one where I was the only duke anywhere nearby who could press his claim to a county. Before I pressed his claim he was behaving himself because I was going to, once I pressed it he loved me anyway so I didn't need to worry

yes, but what will he do once your king dies?

It was really a shame when I had to kill and imprison the second, third and fourth son of my previous king, they all had good traits and important wives (duchesses and princesses) and were important Dukes who used to support me with lots of men. But they all thought they had more right on the throne then the son of the first born who was assassinated. Even the two with content trait supported their brothers instead of me.
How can you stop these kinds of thing of happening? The goal of the game is to build your dynasty to greatness, but it doesn't make sense that you have to kill your entire dynasty each time a new king comes.

[lh197]

yes, but what will he do once your king dies?

It was really a shame when I had to kill and imprison the second, third and fourth son of my previous king, they all had good traits and important wives (duchesses and princesses) and were important Dukes who used to support me with lots of men. But they all thought they had more right on the throne then the son of the first born who was assassinated. Even the two with content trait supported their brothers instead of me.
How can you stop these kinds of thing of happening? The goal of the game is to build your dynasty to greatness, but it doesn't make sense that you have to kill your entire dynasty each time a new king comes.

I'l fire him, he'll be upset, I'll encourage him to be upset, he'll revolt, I'll beat him and revoke his titles, problem solved (I've kept enough demesne to outnumber any of my individual vassals if they revolt)

[Skizbot]

yes, but what will he do once your king dies?

It was really a shame when I had to kill and imprison the second, third and fourth son of my previous king, they all had good traits and important wives (duchesses and princesses) and were important Dukes who used to support me with lots of men. But they all thought they had more right on the throne then the son of the first born who was assassinated. Even the two with content trait supported their brothers instead of me.
How can you stop these kinds of thing of happening? The goal of the game is to build your dynasty to greatness, but it doesn't make sense that you have to kill your entire dynasty each time a new king comes.

You can't keep every vassal loyal, especially when the new ruler is a kid, but you can keep some of the most important ones. The second your king dies you should pause and start handing out title, both honorary and landed. Chances are when your new king inherits everything from the old you might have too many duchies/counties, so start giving some to the people you want to keep loyal. Some gifts also help to keep their opinion of you up. But pay attention to their relation modifiers, sometimes they have so much negative stuff that even land won't stop them from hating you, in that case giving them land could be dangerous as it just makes them bigger when they rebel.


By the way, choose the elective law and you can basically hand pick your successor, assuming you keep most of the voting power in your hands and those loyal to you.

[Dux]

Thanks for the tips. I now fully control the Kingdom. I have revoked all the titles of my prisoners and gave some to my council members and kept half myself. Then I joined a crusade to spain (All of spain is under control of muslim emirates) and now everybody loves me. But my King has this annoying title, 'King Kratislav V the ill ruler' and he has the Kinslayer trait.
So everything was going alright, I had lots of money and was trowing feast and great tourney's around and build lots of improvements in my settlements.
But then my only surviving brother ,who liked me, usurped my crown! I thought, not again! and went to war. However, my brother was allied by marriage to the Byzantium Emperor! So suddenly I had an army of 13000 Byzantines in my Kingdom.

[Skizbot]

Thanks for the tips. I now fully control the Kingdom. I have revoked all the titles of my prisoners and gave some to my council members and kept half myself. Then I joined a crusade to spain (All of spain is under control of muslim emirates) and now everybody loves me. But my King has this annoying title, 'King Kratislav V the ill ruler' and he has the Kinslayer trait.
So everything was going alright, I had lots of money and was trowing feast and great tourney's around and build lots of improvements in my settlements.
But then my only surviving brother ,who liked me, usurped my crown! I thought, not again! and went to war. However, my brother was allied by marriage to the Byzantium Emperor! So suddenly I had an army of 13000 Byzantines in my Kingdom.

Ouch...sounds a bit like Renly using the marriage with the Tyrells to attack Stannis


Actually, maybe you should go the Stannis route and kill your brother. Since the Byzantines are only at war with you for the sake of his claim to the throne, assassinating your bother should end the war instantly.