The Second Battle of Londinium

[Agamemnon]

With the Saxons having lost their momentum in their invasion, the Britons have left Badon Hill. After taking pretty much all of England with little to no resistance, all but 1,000 men are now beseiging Londinium for the second time.

Forces of Britannia:

Commander: King Arthur IX, Pendragon

Legio I, Britannica:
6,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
6,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio II, Cambrica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio III, Caledonica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hyrbrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio IV, Anglica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio V, Gallica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio VI, Valeria Victrix:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Knights of Camelot (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio VII, Normanica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Norman Knights (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Norman Sergeants (Spearmen, Soldier)

Legio VIII, Gaelica:
4,000 Longbowmen (Archer-Infantry Hybrid, Veteran)
4,000 Legionarii (Heavy Infantry, Professional)
1,000 Gaelic Knights (Heavy Cavalry, Elite)
10,000 Foederati Infantry (Spearmen, Soldier)

المسلم فيلق بريتانيا (Saracen Legion of Britannia):
5,000 المسلم فيلق بريتانيا (Light Infantry, Elite)

Legio Panem:
80,000 Litemanei (Light Infantry, Recruit)
700,000 Levy Militia (Spearmen, Peasant)

Forces of Scandinavia:

Commander Zorata leading - 10,000 Island Warriors (Veteran Javlin-Infantry Hybrid)
10,000 Scandinavian Spearmen (Recruit Spearmen)
5000 Jutland Archers (Soldier Archers)
2000 Warrior Calavlry (Recruit Light Calalry)
1000 Elite Chosen Swordsmen (Elite Heavy Infantry)
300 Elite Warlord Calavlry (Genarals Body Guard)

King Cnut the Great leading - 20,000 Warriors of the Mountains (Professioal Medium Infantry)
10,000 Jutland Archers (Soldier Archers)
10,000 Wolfmen (Professional Heavy Infantry)
10,000 Berserkers (Elite Medium Infantry)
5,000 Warrior Calavlry (Recruit Light Calalry)
1,000 Elite Chosen Swordsmen (Elite Heavy Infantry)
400 Elite Warlord Calavlry (Genarals Body Guard)

Brunes of Agder leading - 20,000 Scandinavian Spearmen (Recruit Spearmen)
5,000 Jutland Archers (Soldier Archers)
5,000 Berserkers (Elite Medium Infantry)
3,000 Warrior Calavlry (Recruit Light Calalry)
1,000 Elite Chosen Swordsmen (Elite Heavy Infantry)
300 Elite Warlord Calavlry (Genarals Body Guard)

Led by Harold II (Reinforcements which are split between divsions but ultimately led by Harold):
10,000 Fyrdmen (spearmen, soldier)
15,000 Thegns (heavy infantry, soldier)
7,000 Housecarls (heavy infantry, professional)
1,000 Hearthmen (heavy infantry, elite)
5,000 Archers (archers, watch)
35 Scorpoions (light artillery veteran)
25 Treubchets (heavy artillery veteran)
25,000 Levy Saxon Spearmen (Watch Spearmen)

[Agamemnon]

Nah, I'll delete all the posts in it.

[Roxas]

OOC: Righto then, are you going to wait and keep them under siege or go attack them? If yes, I need orders from both(?) of you.

[Agamemnon]

Go attack them, time is frozen until this battle ends, and Sid's not even playing as the Vikings anymore.

[Roxas]

OOC: Any Plans or shall I just presume your taking a generic siege tactics approach?

[Agamemnon]

Send the militia forward first, once we have a foothold on the walls send the Legions. The longbows should try to burn down the gates, and if that's not possible should try to shoot Saxons on the walls. Cav will stay far from trebuchet range, as will legions and Foederati. Just the militia and longbows will be in the first phase, after we have the walls the rest will charge up.

[kingsid]

Vikings will try to counter moves of the enemy and will aim there artillery into tightly laches spaces. The troops will fight it out and use berserkers to try and break there formation while wolfmen stand closely by. I am not Vikings but I might as well give there orders.

[Roxas]

As the unorganized and undisciplined militia of Britannia bore down upon the walls with their ladders and siege towers, a hail of trebuchet fire rained down upon them with venom accompanied by volleys of arrows. They died in their thousands as many began to rout or were crushed as they began to wildly sprint to the walls. When they climbed the walls they were met by strong resistance by their Vikings and Saxons and their medium infantry and Beserkers, however many archers were involved as well. They managed to easily slaughter the incoming militia for a few hours before they no longer had the numbers to push back this onslaught of numbers. They now retreated from the walls further into the city whilst the Britannian's now held the walls.

Casualties

Britannia
20,000 Litemanei (Killed)
200,000 Levy Militia (Killed)
100,000 Levy Militia (Routed)

Vikings/Allies
5000 Jutland Archers (Killed)
7,000 Beserkers (Killed)
10,000 Levy Saxon Spearmen (Killed)
10,000 Scandinavian Spearmen (Killed)
5,000 Warriors of the Mountains (Killed)
10,000 Wolfmen (Killed)

[jakev2]

I see a vital flaw - the rules clearly state that peasant class units can ONLY be fielded in defense of a nation, yet Arthur has 700,000 of them here.

[Roxas]

OOC: True........ I'll let Arthur decide what he wants to do. :L

[kingsid]

:O you do know what berserkers are? They are no front line unit, they are shock infantry and cannot hold walls, it would be the wolfmen. Also jakev raises a good point, you will almost certainly have to redo without peasents.

[The Stig]

I see a vital flaw - the rules clearly state that peasant class units can ONLY be fielded in defense of a nation, yet Arthur has 700,000 of them here.

He probably bought them when Sid was invading. I could see them sticking around, given that Britannia is still very threatened.

[Pinkie Pie]

A restart is not required, just edit the losses.

[Roxas]

I went with the thinking The Stig just commented, this is basically a defense of their whole nations way of life because if they lose then they lose their kingdom basically and so I included them.

As for Beserkers, you clearly stated that they would be used so I was refering to that fact that they were trying to 'disupt' the enemy. You just said any troops will defend which does not help at all, so I guessed which ones they would of used.

So no, I wont be redoing anything. xD I'll edit in a few losses for the wolfmen because I accidentally forgot that bit.

[kingsid]

Berserkers are ultimate shock infantry. They charge, kill a lot, then get behind wolfmen for a while, then attack. I never said they would defend the walls. I'm also kinda facedeskin, so light infatry mostly peasent standered could kill all my pro heavys and half my elite mediums? Unlikely, if others feel otherwise, please enlighten me.

Why do you keep changing rules for aggy? Peasents are untreain, stupid and have a spear that they can barly use, they would not take orfers well and would be practically useless unless they were behind heavys. Anyway, the rules state no peasents can be ordered into battle so that what we will do, Full Stop.

[Pinkie Pie]

Why do you care? If you lose you will be using your new faction, if you win Arthur retrains and we are back to the same issue.
Just stop complaining and start playing as Switzerland.

[Roxas]

You never gave me decent orders, you never told me to make sure they didn't remain bogged down on the walls for too long.

In very crowded situations, skill is almost irrelevant and your men would of been pushed and crushed to death by the sheer numbers of peasants storming the walls. Even then your skilled warriors done well enough killing around 6x their own number in a disadvantageous situation. For every man you killed, a few more would of climbed the walls and it would of been just too much as I said after a while.

So stop thinking this is 300 and your troops have God-mode and just accept my judgement.

I'm face-palming because you clearly don't like losing.

Now, next orders gents? :]

[kingsid]

Omfg, I thought the clue was the fact they are shock infantry -.-' they would not fight for long, have you never play total war games. And martin I complain because Switzerland already has poor relations with both vikings and Brittnia for there bloodlust, so if I decied to declare war things like this dont happen again. Im putting switzerland on hold until this is over and the war between brittnia and vikings is settled, if Vikings win I will delete the faction Switzerland, its just there I was far to speedy in making a new faction forgive me for that.

Get rid of peasents now or I'm leaving, Rues are Rules, deal with it. So you will have to re-do first round.

[Roxas]

Since I'm rather in a good mood, well until I read this thread, I will reduce the amount of peasants he has since I guess all of them would be illogical. So he can only field 350,000 Peasants which means he has about 50,000 left.

Yes but I can only do what you tell me. You don't just put just an answer to a maths problem with no explanation in a test and expect the examiner how you got the answer, it doesn't work like that. 'Try and break their formation' could imply a numerous many things, besides they would be pretty much useless on a narrow wall in terms of shock value.

As I said previously, In my opinion Aggy still is defending his Kingdom as he is doing so by removing the main threat which would ultimately lead to his realm being safe and it would not be unrealistic for the common folk to be riled up with the lure of finishing the war and saving their homes.

Unless Aggy himself agrees with you, I wont consider re-doing it.

[Pinkie Pie]

As far as the militia units are concerned I agree with Kingsid. This game may have the word Realism at the end of it but that means nothing. Milita are for defending your nation and only that meaning they can only be used when in your own borders.