I've been trying to hold off reading this thread to avoid spoilers as I've only just watched the first season but I can't help it, this show is too good
Some great acting, especially from Bryan Cranston, makes this show. Definitely one of best programmes on TV at the moment.
Wait, I don't understand what happened in the end of the episode: can someone explain?
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I won't spoil anything for you, So I will say this: Keep watching as things will become a lot better as the seasons pass.
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I've been watching this show for a while and am nearing the end of season 4. It's very good, the acting is suberb and the drama and plot is very unique and colourful while still realistic.
I do have a few problems with it, though.
Mainly the philosophy Gillian tries to horse-shoe in it. I quite disliked the '2deep4u' montage with the bear during season 2. The pay-off and message was weak. I'd also say that the general message of the movie, that doing bad things makes you a bad person regardless of your intentions, exemplified in Walt, isn't realistic, is really weak and doesn't even apply to the series. The career criminals are depicted diversely, with some being insane and almost cartoonishly evil (Hector, Tuco), but many others are pretty deep personalities who aren't 'bad'. Jesse and Mike aren't 'evil', they just do certain things for money, and it becomes apparant that they can behave perfectly normal and not have to let their social contacts suffer as Walt's did. Even Gus isn't 'bad', he's a well-mannered guy who is ruthless when he needs to be but isn't cruel, nor has his 'bad behaviour' really impacted his psyche as much as it does Walt's, and he's only been doing it for a year or so, while Gus and Mike have a lifetime of crime behind their backs, far more gruesome than anything Walt's done.
Walt's behaviour during much of the series is also annoying. I know it's intentional and supposed to show that he's stressed and his psyche has taken quite some beating and whatnot, but it isn't realistic. Often Walt just flips for no reason, or does things which would obviously only further worsen his situation. Alot of it doesn't seem rational, and it's hard to empathize with or even understand a character whose actions don't seem to have any relation to reality. I also don't really like his macho behaviour at times. I preferred him from season 1, when he was just a guy suddenly trapped in all this crime. It allows for much more drama and character development, and makes the plot more believable.
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Well, living under constant fear of death by the person holding you on a string and then eliminating that person can sure change your persona. Same way their criminal activities lead to unforeseen consequences, like killing that boy on his dirtbike. When continuing your path on such point, you know you can meet such situations again, you stop being "a good person" and take it for granted, as part of the job etc. And that changes your think. Resets you in all kinds of ways.
I knew allot of good kids, teenagers, young adults who where small time criminals in real life ending up as egocentric, empty headed and backstabbing, often opportunist or compulsory violent, or both.
Life alters people, specially criminal or drug ridden lives. Both become a way of life.
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Nue pope is in the spirit of St Joseph - the working man's dedicated saint.
However, Dr. Croccer does raise an interesting point: Walt was consumed by his job, he fully embraced it not knowing where it would end him. Similar to what Tuco had become(I am sure he was normal prior in his early lifetime).
Meanwhile, Gus, Jesse and Mike did their jobs without getting consumed by it. They managed to maintain some sort of a normal life.
Why do some policemen end up abusing of the rights their job allows them to have while others (the majority) don't?
Men and women are not completely alike, and some people deal with certain situations better than others. It is not unrealistic. If anything, it is realistic, and just accentuates the quality this show has. Not every character is artificially black and white. It is colourful, like life really is (and this reminds me of a very good song Breaking Bad had at the end of season 2, if I'm not mistaken )
And probably the music was there for a reason.
As to Gus, he was consumed by his job. Or by revenge. Either way, he never lived a life like Jesse and Mike did. He was closer to Walt, except with his emotions more controlled, but not fully controlled (remember that episode in Mexico? More than anything, Gus did that for revenge)
Speaking of emotions... maybe that's the reason why people react to things differently. Some deal with them better. Some have dealt with things in the past that made them unable to deal with their emotions in the present and future. That's what happens to many people who face traumatic experiences. And what is a traumatic experience is highly subjective and differs from person to person.
Walter's hubris can be, perhaps (but not limited to it), explain by his failure at Gray Matters (he wasn't lying when he said that to Jesse) and past experiences in his life, which we aren't yet fully aware of.
I think this series is much deeper than the mere "crime doesn't pay" message. I'm afraid it doesn't even have that message. More than anything, I think this series tries to convey the message that we may have the strength to put some things in motion, but we may not have enough strength to stop them. By then we are mere objects of our past actions.
Come to think of it, his partner was killed and he was kinda screwed when they approached them with their meth proposal, wasn't it? And this time he thought like "You guys ed me once but not again."
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