View Poll Results: My favorite battle type is....?

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  • Mountain passages

    1 9.09%
  • Mountain tops where I can see the vista

    1 9.09%
  • Flat meadows so I don't have to mess with controlling the hill

    5 45.45%
  • Lots of hills so I can utilize them for cavalry charges and archers

    1 9.09%
  • Bridge battles

    1 9.09%
  • Fording a river without a bridge

    0 0%
  • Battles along a seashore

    3 27.27%
  • Heavily forested battles

    1 9.09%
  • Mixed forest and meadow so I can control ambushes

    1 9.09%
  • Minor border clashes with my neighbors

    3 27.27%
  • Putting down rebels within my territory

    1 9.09%
  • Sieging a city

    1 9.09%
  • Sieging a castle

    1 9.09%
  • I always autoresolve...what's a custom battle?

    0 0%
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Thread: Custom Battles

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kjertesvein View Post
    Will there be any pictures?

    ~Wille
    Yes, tons of pictures, but only in the custom battle and tactics manual. You'll be able for the first time to actually see the terrain up close in the pdf, and then choose which area you wish to attack or defend from. Personally I like way more battles and less time spending on building infrastructure and troops.

    I took the manual down because while it explained tactics well, it had very few custom battles... yet. Right now we're in the midst of a map update. When that happens, the map coordinates will change dramatically, so there's not much sense in documenting a certain map coordinate (appearance mostly) and then having to redo it all.

    Expect all of the kinds of battles that were listed in the poll... and then some. Presently most battles happen during sieges, but the most varied battles are ones in which the terrain causes challenges. Say for example that you get pushed back around Wales into the mountains, you have to fight your way out in one: it's the only way to get back home as there is one location that only has one exit.

    Sometimes you're fighting in knee or chest deep water. Maybe you're fighting in total woods, and you can imagine trying that at night and on cavalry. The way the battles are configured, the battle won't be locked, which means you can vary all the parameters.

    Sometimes the terrain is very unfair, and in real life, only a fool might fight there (or the most brilliant tactician). The first to arrive at a battlefield got to choose the terrain, but of course that didn't mean that either side would engage. Battles were enormously expensive, and the longer you delay in the field, the more supplies get used up, and the men get "fat and lazy" [from the movie Gladiator].

    Once the map gets locked down, I can include some pictures here. I did that before from two angles from the attacker and defender perspective. Actually within custom battles you can set it such that both parties are attacking, which is a lot more fun, but generally not always great for the AI. You want to mix it up so the AI (or you) can ambush and that means defending some.

    At 4 pics per battle and probably way more than twenty, that's a lot of pictures. You additionally get the chance to fight on every settlement site, which means playing London as a field battle or any kind of fortification too. The only thing I can't do is program the special Britannia forts in the custom battle menu. Too bad as that would be awesome.
    Last edited by RubiconDecision; November 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM.
    In Bushido, your depth of being honorable and chivalrous is about what you do and say, not what you watch on the cinema screen or play on a computer. Real chivalry is about how you treat those who are not like yourself, and in learning the customs of another, and in defending those who are not like you. Anyone can silently protect the staus quo, and that is largely the measure of being craven, the antithesis of chivalry. In saying "Jap Samurai", you defame those who you simultaneously ascribe to emulate. In saying Jap history, you denigrate those who lived by Bushido. In sterotyping Japs, you prove yourself without an education, usually an essential aspect of chivalry. I mock anyone who proclaims to honor soldiers in history, but then fails to honor the soldiers by risking the courage to be chivalrous. Why is the pejorative term Jap, a term offensive to people of Japanese ancestry, allowed at the TWCenter?
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?596218-Why-is-the-pejorative-term-Jap-allowed-at-the-TWCenter

    Hall of Shame for bigoted posts

    Vanoi
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10592921
    "Harsh? I think brutal is a better word for the Japanese."

    Chukada1
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599657
    "Japanese military is a subset of Japanese people now. Since all Japanese soldiers were conscripted or ended up being conscripted from the Japanese civilian, we can agree that the IJA only conscripted those Japanese people who are of a certain subset [obviously - thats how conscription works], probably the ones that like to commit murder and rape of women and children."
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599769
    "Since you argue that the IJA was only a subset of Japan. I said that they must have only conscripted the subset of Japanese people who like to force men to rape their daughters."

    I Wug Pugs
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12809809
    Who are we kidding; hate speech? I doubt the last people to espouse to bushido as a general belief would even bother to recognize that those they raped, murdered, attempted biological warfare on, starved or enslaved were even people. So I can't really say that bushidoists could use hate speech since they viewed everyone else as subhuman. What's it like subscribing to a doctrine that justified behavior on par with the worst of the Nazi and Stalinist measures? Shamefur dispray indeed!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12834974
    ^An extremely long rant in which I Wug Pugs discusses all of the problems with Japan and the samurai while also denigrating all medieval nobility as well!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12849525
    "All black people steal from the whiteman, this is just more elaborate. We were warned in 2008! "

    Here we have an apologist for the practice of taking Japanese heads to use as ashtrays in WW2:
    Smedley Butler
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10614625
    "It is not racism , is called war. The japanese had it coming, for the Batan Death March, Wake , Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking just for some. Oh, lets not forget about the japanese 32nd medical bn who performed experiments on the allied forces. So, before you call it any one racist have all the facts."

    Claudius Gothicus
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615191
    "When the Government bombards a War weary soldier with this:
    and then said ''Murdering Japs'' turn out to be doing things such as this:

    then for the average G.I. it turns into an easy equation: ''Sub-human ers kill our boys, well then they don't deserve any kind of respect''."

    Sphere talking about collecting Japanese heads as ashtrays:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615221
    "Convienence. Have you tried collecting them nowadays? Talk about red tape. Hopefully we got enough stored up to last until the next war."

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    Since the map is staying in its current incarnation for awhile, I'll be posting some example custom battles here in the next few days. Look for a preview of the site characteristics and commentary on the challenges of the terrain, and some examples of how to deal with them. Then if you have your own ideas on how you would best deal with attacking or defending on one side of the terrain, post your own commentary. Obviously things like the unit composition, the era being played, or the use of ambush tactics will all facilitate a "win".
    In Bushido, your depth of being honorable and chivalrous is about what you do and say, not what you watch on the cinema screen or play on a computer. Real chivalry is about how you treat those who are not like yourself, and in learning the customs of another, and in defending those who are not like you. Anyone can silently protect the staus quo, and that is largely the measure of being craven, the antithesis of chivalry. In saying "Jap Samurai", you defame those who you simultaneously ascribe to emulate. In saying Jap history, you denigrate those who lived by Bushido. In sterotyping Japs, you prove yourself without an education, usually an essential aspect of chivalry. I mock anyone who proclaims to honor soldiers in history, but then fails to honor the soldiers by risking the courage to be chivalrous. Why is the pejorative term Jap, a term offensive to people of Japanese ancestry, allowed at the TWCenter?
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?596218-Why-is-the-pejorative-term-Jap-allowed-at-the-TWCenter

    Hall of Shame for bigoted posts

    Vanoi
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10592921
    "Harsh? I think brutal is a better word for the Japanese."

    Chukada1
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599657
    "Japanese military is a subset of Japanese people now. Since all Japanese soldiers were conscripted or ended up being conscripted from the Japanese civilian, we can agree that the IJA only conscripted those Japanese people who are of a certain subset [obviously - thats how conscription works], probably the ones that like to commit murder and rape of women and children."
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599769
    "Since you argue that the IJA was only a subset of Japan. I said that they must have only conscripted the subset of Japanese people who like to force men to rape their daughters."

    I Wug Pugs
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12809809
    Who are we kidding; hate speech? I doubt the last people to espouse to bushido as a general belief would even bother to recognize that those they raped, murdered, attempted biological warfare on, starved or enslaved were even people. So I can't really say that bushidoists could use hate speech since they viewed everyone else as subhuman. What's it like subscribing to a doctrine that justified behavior on par with the worst of the Nazi and Stalinist measures? Shamefur dispray indeed!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12834974
    ^An extremely long rant in which I Wug Pugs discusses all of the problems with Japan and the samurai while also denigrating all medieval nobility as well!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12849525
    "All black people steal from the whiteman, this is just more elaborate. We were warned in 2008! "

    Here we have an apologist for the practice of taking Japanese heads to use as ashtrays in WW2:
    Smedley Butler
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10614625
    "It is not racism , is called war. The japanese had it coming, for the Batan Death March, Wake , Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking just for some. Oh, lets not forget about the japanese 32nd medical bn who performed experiments on the allied forces. So, before you call it any one racist have all the facts."

    Claudius Gothicus
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615191
    "When the Government bombards a War weary soldier with this:
    and then said ''Murdering Japs'' turn out to be doing things such as this:

    then for the average G.I. it turns into an easy equation: ''Sub-human ers kill our boys, well then they don't deserve any kind of respect''."

    Sphere talking about collecting Japanese heads as ashtrays:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615221
    "Convienence. Have you tried collecting them nowadays? Talk about red tape. Hopefully we got enough stored up to last until the next war."

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    I found a bug for ranged combat, at least for archers/crossbowmen across all mods that I have tested so far. It's my guess that it's a limitation of the engine. In areas where you have archers/crossbowmen at a high elevation, and they could legitimately loose their arrow/bolts, the range might exceed the engine's depiction of them. Even though the ranged fire unit cards show that they are targeting, the actual unit animation doesn't. It also isn't using up their quarrels either, so nothing is essentially happening. If you encounter it, move your ranged units closer to their designated target and they will actually begin ranged combat at that point.

    Naturally elevation offers a range advantage as it perpetuates the flight characteristics and lessens the affect of gravity to diminish the arc of it. It should in theory increase the velocity as they plummet downward, but since the descr_projectile has velocity limitations imposed, it probably doesn't. Too bad.

    I'm sure that most experienced tacticians know this, but you should inch your archers up when their range exceeds the ability of the enemies. Watch carefully for the "green target in range" to switch from the red one. Halt your troops and deliberately choose which unit to target. Generally the AI is programmed to bring their ranged combat forward, and this means you should probably target them initially.

    As long as any units are on the walls, ballista/cannon towers and robo archers will continue to pelt your troops. That's how it's programmed. The best strategy is to eliminate any units on the walls, and then pass a unit through the gate towers. At that point your troops have "taken the walls". A cavalry unit that is close enough can still activate the robo archers (unfair, I know), and so it's important to bring your own archers to target any cavalry at the base of the main gate.
    Last edited by RubiconDecision; November 30, 2011 at 11:54 AM.
    In Bushido, your depth of being honorable and chivalrous is about what you do and say, not what you watch on the cinema screen or play on a computer. Real chivalry is about how you treat those who are not like yourself, and in learning the customs of another, and in defending those who are not like you. Anyone can silently protect the staus quo, and that is largely the measure of being craven, the antithesis of chivalry. In saying "Jap Samurai", you defame those who you simultaneously ascribe to emulate. In saying Jap history, you denigrate those who lived by Bushido. In sterotyping Japs, you prove yourself without an education, usually an essential aspect of chivalry. I mock anyone who proclaims to honor soldiers in history, but then fails to honor the soldiers by risking the courage to be chivalrous. Why is the pejorative term Jap, a term offensive to people of Japanese ancestry, allowed at the TWCenter?
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?596218-Why-is-the-pejorative-term-Jap-allowed-at-the-TWCenter

    Hall of Shame for bigoted posts

    Vanoi
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10592921
    "Harsh? I think brutal is a better word for the Japanese."

    Chukada1
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599657
    "Japanese military is a subset of Japanese people now. Since all Japanese soldiers were conscripted or ended up being conscripted from the Japanese civilian, we can agree that the IJA only conscripted those Japanese people who are of a certain subset [obviously - thats how conscription works], probably the ones that like to commit murder and rape of women and children."
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599769
    "Since you argue that the IJA was only a subset of Japan. I said that they must have only conscripted the subset of Japanese people who like to force men to rape their daughters."

    I Wug Pugs
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12809809
    Who are we kidding; hate speech? I doubt the last people to espouse to bushido as a general belief would even bother to recognize that those they raped, murdered, attempted biological warfare on, starved or enslaved were even people. So I can't really say that bushidoists could use hate speech since they viewed everyone else as subhuman. What's it like subscribing to a doctrine that justified behavior on par with the worst of the Nazi and Stalinist measures? Shamefur dispray indeed!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12834974
    ^An extremely long rant in which I Wug Pugs discusses all of the problems with Japan and the samurai while also denigrating all medieval nobility as well!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12849525
    "All black people steal from the whiteman, this is just more elaborate. We were warned in 2008! "

    Here we have an apologist for the practice of taking Japanese heads to use as ashtrays in WW2:
    Smedley Butler
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10614625
    "It is not racism , is called war. The japanese had it coming, for the Batan Death March, Wake , Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking just for some. Oh, lets not forget about the japanese 32nd medical bn who performed experiments on the allied forces. So, before you call it any one racist have all the facts."

    Claudius Gothicus
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615191
    "When the Government bombards a War weary soldier with this:
    and then said ''Murdering Japs'' turn out to be doing things such as this:

    then for the average G.I. it turns into an easy equation: ''Sub-human ers kill our boys, well then they don't deserve any kind of respect''."

    Sphere talking about collecting Japanese heads as ashtrays:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615221
    "Convienence. Have you tried collecting them nowadays? Talk about red tape. Hopefully we got enough stored up to last until the next war."

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    I've noticed this too. I think its native to the game engine though. It IS annoying...

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    When running up to get ranged units within their respective areas of effect, it's easy to overshoot and go too far. Doing that could bring your archers into the range of the enemy's ranged units especially if the enemy is on elevated terrain. Watch for that. If you can imagine this in real life, while your ranged units might initially run to get into their staging area, they would undoubtedly slow down and gingerly place themselves as they got closer to it. Not grouping units helps as it slows down their placement as they try to get into position and avoid their teammates. Grouping is not recommended for ranged combat anyway as it interferes with targeting. I seldom use auto-targeting. As I whittle down a unit I am attacking, I will switch to a different target that is more juicy, whether they are all bunched up and thus easier to hit, or if they pose a greater threat.

    I think the AI tends to target whoever is closer, since that makes that unit a higher threat (whether in fact it really is or not), and hence it can be to your advantage to send a unit closer to draw fire, especially if they are very fast and less vulnerable. It's a judgement call based upon say if the enemy ranged units are armor piercing versus standard arrows. Again you're also taking into account the slowness of the rate of fire of crossbowmen too.

    Units hold their shields in their LEFT hand. That means you want to shoot from the right, and have your own units tactically placed to limit ranged combat (protect their left), if that makes sense. I know that's micromanaging, but those kinds of small details can make a dramatic long term difference in a unit's survival.

    This also explains why enfilade shooting works better as this means more arrows are getting past the enemy's shields. See the tactical manual for a much better explanation.
    Last edited by RubiconDecision; December 02, 2011 at 12:43 PM.
    In Bushido, your depth of being honorable and chivalrous is about what you do and say, not what you watch on the cinema screen or play on a computer. Real chivalry is about how you treat those who are not like yourself, and in learning the customs of another, and in defending those who are not like you. Anyone can silently protect the staus quo, and that is largely the measure of being craven, the antithesis of chivalry. In saying "Jap Samurai", you defame those who you simultaneously ascribe to emulate. In saying Jap history, you denigrate those who lived by Bushido. In sterotyping Japs, you prove yourself without an education, usually an essential aspect of chivalry. I mock anyone who proclaims to honor soldiers in history, but then fails to honor the soldiers by risking the courage to be chivalrous. Why is the pejorative term Jap, a term offensive to people of Japanese ancestry, allowed at the TWCenter?
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?596218-Why-is-the-pejorative-term-Jap-allowed-at-the-TWCenter

    Hall of Shame for bigoted posts

    Vanoi
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10592921
    "Harsh? I think brutal is a better word for the Japanese."

    Chukada1
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599657
    "Japanese military is a subset of Japanese people now. Since all Japanese soldiers were conscripted or ended up being conscripted from the Japanese civilian, we can agree that the IJA only conscripted those Japanese people who are of a certain subset [obviously - thats how conscription works], probably the ones that like to commit murder and rape of women and children."
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10599769
    "Since you argue that the IJA was only a subset of Japan. I said that they must have only conscripted the subset of Japanese people who like to force men to rape their daughters."

    I Wug Pugs
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12809809
    Who are we kidding; hate speech? I doubt the last people to espouse to bushido as a general belief would even bother to recognize that those they raped, murdered, attempted biological warfare on, starved or enslaved were even people. So I can't really say that bushidoists could use hate speech since they viewed everyone else as subhuman. What's it like subscribing to a doctrine that justified behavior on par with the worst of the Nazi and Stalinist measures? Shamefur dispray indeed!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12834974
    ^An extremely long rant in which I Wug Pugs discusses all of the problems with Japan and the samurai while also denigrating all medieval nobility as well!
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post12849525
    "All black people steal from the whiteman, this is just more elaborate. We were warned in 2008! "

    Here we have an apologist for the practice of taking Japanese heads to use as ashtrays in WW2:
    Smedley Butler
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10614625
    "It is not racism , is called war. The japanese had it coming, for the Batan Death March, Wake , Pearl Harbor, Rape of Nanking just for some. Oh, lets not forget about the japanese 32nd medical bn who performed experiments on the allied forces. So, before you call it any one racist have all the facts."

    Claudius Gothicus
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615191
    "When the Government bombards a War weary soldier with this:
    and then said ''Murdering Japs'' turn out to be doing things such as this:

    then for the average G.I. it turns into an easy equation: ''Sub-human ers kill our boys, well then they don't deserve any kind of respect''."

    Sphere talking about collecting Japanese heads as ashtrays:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10615221
    "Convienence. Have you tried collecting them nowadays? Talk about red tape. Hopefully we got enough stored up to last until the next war."

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    Default Re: Custom Battles

    I've started makeing my own custom battle maps and I've started to get the hang of It I would like to know If I could help in some way. The maps I make may be simple But I would like to help with such an awsome mod. And Here are some pictures from my raider map. In this map you play as an invading army raiding a small coastal settlement. In this example I'm a bunch of angry Vikings out for plunder and fame
    Question: Would You like me to send you a copy of this custom battle for you to try out? If so how do i do that?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Raider A.jpg   Raider B.jpg   Raider C.jpg   Raider D.jpg   Raider E.jpg  

    Raider F.jpg   Raider G.jpg  
    Last edited by james.ep3; December 07, 2011 at 02:41 PM. Reason: I Have no Idea

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