Vassals??

[Phil of Loreauville]

Just what happens when a faction becomes a vassal to another faction?

[Caesar Clivus]

The vassal is technically an ally of the other faction except the vassal also gives them military access and half (I think its half) their income each turn.

[Phil of Loreauville]

Playing as England, I made Scotland my vassal.
My income for the next turn was over 130,000. Previously it was only about 2500-3000.

Is this normal?

[Caesar Clivus]

It can be depending on how much money the other faction is getting.

[k/t]

The suzerain gets money only if the vassal has more than a certain amount of money.

[popovic]

The suzerain gets money only if the vassal has more than a certain amount of money.

Wow, and I thought something is not right in my last campaign...

I was playing as Novgorod, and since I got almost beaten down, I accepted to become Poland`s vassal. Next thing you know, I had my left flank (on the strategy map) secured, and money started POURING in.
So, basically becoming a vassal made my campaign so much easier, that it made me bored, and quit that campaign.

So, does anyone knows is there a way to change what vassalization does? Loosing money ONLY after you have a certain amount just seems too light of a drawback+it`s unrealistic+can be quite "gamey".

So, any way to change this?

[Ichon]

There does seem a bug sometimes when becoming a vassals. I accepted vassals once as Hungary for role play and instead of paying money I received money. Also happened once with Genoa... usually it goes correct after sudden influx of money does stop after a few tuns.

[David93]

technically, you are supposed to be an alliance, so helping each other sounds reasonable imo
obviously one faction is suposed to be the "protector" but taking money, when they cant afford it and killing a faction seems to be stupid (in real life) because 1 they will likely just rebel, 2 vassals were often used as buffers against enimies so were more useful alive than dead.

[popovic]

technically, you are supposed to be an alliance, so helping each other sounds reasonable imo
obviously one faction is suposed to be the "protector" but taking money, when they cant afford it and killing a faction seems to be stupid (in real life) because 1 they will likely just rebel, 2 vassals were often used as buffers against enimies so were more useful alive than dead.

Vassal states, almost always and regardless of culture, religion etc. paid money to their overlords, or served them through other means...

The way it is setup here, a vassal is just an ally, which makes no sense.

Imo the problem is that CA, when they were creating this game, took so much care about completely avoiding the possibility that a human player loses the campaign, that they implemented things like this "vassalization" that means nothing. Cause, god forbids that a complete newbie gets beaten by the AI, forced to become a vassal, and stopped on his road to world domination.

He might not buy our next semi-finished product then...