parsa?

[knight who says nee]

I heard that the 'persians' never referred to themselves as such... they labelled themselves iranians? So where does parsa come from? Is it ancient greek, I hear the persia label came from them.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Parsa, or Parsava, is what the Persians or Medes called the land and the people of Persians as a distinguishing term. It is most likely that in everyday talk they called themselves Arya, like pretty much any other early Indo-European tribe. Even the Celts called themselves that - proof is to be found considering Iran and the Celtic name for Ireland (Eire) are from the same root Aryan.

[Kitsunegari]

I thought Eire was the main god of the early Celts or something like that?

[athanaric]

Parsa is the self-designation of the original Persian tribe. It also refers to their land. Irân, on the other hand (or Aryan, as the Parthians called it), refers to a greater area inhabited by various Iranian tribes, not only Persians.

It is most likely that in everyday talk they called themselves Arya, like pretty much any other early Indo-European tribe.

Do you have a source for that? I've only heard of actual Aryans - Indian and Iranian tribes, that is - referring to themselves as such.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Arya means "free" in PIE.

[athanaric]

The word may well exist in some form in other IE languages, but that isn't exactly proof that other tribes used it as self-designations as well.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

It seems all Indo-iranians did though.

[Kitsunegari]

Aryan=noble, eg Darius calls himself "an Aryan, having Aryan lineage"

[Rex Romanorum]

Aryan=noble, eg Darius calls himself "an Aryan, having Aryan lineage"

He called himself that because being Aryan is cool, but Aryan doesnt mean noble

[knight who says nee]

all of the indo-europan tribes referred to themselves as aryan, including the ones who migrated into europe. This died out eventually

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

It still lives on in Ireland.

[Kitsunegari]

He called himself that because being Aryan is cool

I don't think anyone would argue that

but Aryan doesnt mean noble

Link? I'm not a linguist, but i'm pretty sure that's a widely understood connection.

[Kitsunegari]

It still lives on in Ireland.

The modern Irish Éire evolved from the Old Irish word Ériu, which was the name of a Gaelic goddess. Ériu is generally believed to have been the matron goddess of Ireland, a goddess of sovereignty, or simply a goddess of the land. The origin of Ériu has been traced to the Proto-Celtic reconstruction *Φīwerjon (nominative singular Φīwerjō).[1] This suggests a descent from the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction *piHwerjon, likely related to the adjectival stem *piHwer- (cf. Sanskrit pīvan, pīvarī and pīvara meaning "fat, full, abounding"). This would suggest a meaning of "abundant land".

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users...%C3%89ire.html
Granted it's all conjecture at this point.

[the persian Immortal]

[QUOTE]

I don't think anyone would argue that

aryans are proud to be aryans .... I belive that's what rex ment and his right.

I don't think that the word aryan means noble ......

[The_Blacksmith]

It still lives on in Ireland.

Ireland = Aryanland?



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[Kitsunegari]

aryans are proud to be aryans .... I belive that's what rex ment and his right.

Agreed, that's what i meant, who wouldn't be proud of that?

I don't think that the word aryan means noble ......

From http://m.spokensanskrit.de/index.php...tion=ES&link=y

behaviour of an Aryan or noble man AryavRtta (n.)
आर्यवृत्त

dressed like an Aryan or honest person Aryaveza (adj.)
आर्यवेश

Arya (adj.) respectable worthy of one
arya (adj.) true dear
Arya (adj.) worthy
arya (adj.) favourable
Arya (adj.) noble excellent noble wise respectable

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Ireland = Aryanland?



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Cocroach the great, you should be rewarded TWC's biggest troll of the year award!

Thank you. I have been trying so hard.

[Anakarsis]

I totally disagree with the theory of the existence of a PIE language, but AFAIK "aryan" does not mean "noble" but "high people", difference may be sutile to some but it means an entire ethnic group, not just a upper class within a group as "noble" would mean

Since they were the ones calling themselves that, is not strange, is common for many peoples to refer to themselves as "we the unique the chosen the high the strongest the smartest the nicest the proudest with the longest d**ks"

[Kitsunegari]

t AFAIK "aryan" does not mean "noble" but "high people", difference may be sutile to some but it means an entire ethnic group, not just a upper class within a group as "noble" would mean

If you look at the link provided there were several connotations