I heard that the 'persians' never referred to themselves as such... they labelled themselves iranians? So where does parsa come from? Is it ancient greek, I hear the persia label came from them.
I heard that the 'persians' never referred to themselves as such... they labelled themselves iranians? So where does parsa come from? Is it ancient greek, I hear the persia label came from them.
Parsa, or Parsava, is what the Persians or Medes called the land and the people of Persians as a distinguishing term. It is most likely that in everyday talk they called themselves Arya, like pretty much any other early Indo-European tribe. Even the Celts called themselves that - proof is to be found considering Iran and the Celtic name for Ireland (Eire) are from the same root Aryan.
I thought Eire was the main god of the early Celts or something like that?
Parsa is the self-designation of the original Persian tribe. It also refers to their land. Irân, on the other hand (or Aryan, as the Parthians called it), refers to a greater area inhabited by various Iranian tribes, not only Persians.
Do you have a source for that? I've only heard of actual Aryans - Indian and Iranian tribes, that is - referring to themselves as such.
The word may well exist in some form in other IE languages, but that isn't exactly proof that other tribes used it as self-designations as well.
Aryan=noble, eg Darius calls himself "an Aryan, having Aryan lineage"
all of the indo-europan tribes referred to themselves as aryan, including the ones who migrated into europe. This died out eventually
http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users...%C3%89ire.htmlThe modern Irish Éire evolved from the Old Irish word Ériu, which was the name of a Gaelic goddess. Ériu is generally believed to have been the matron goddess of Ireland, a goddess of sovereignty, or simply a goddess of the land. The origin of Ériu has been traced to the Proto-Celtic reconstruction *Φīwerjon (nominative singular Φīwerjō).[1] This suggests a descent from the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction *piHwerjon, likely related to the adjectival stem *piHwer- (cf. Sanskrit pīvan, pīvarī and pīvara meaning "fat, full, abounding"). This would suggest a meaning of "abundant land".
Granted it's all conjecture at this point.
Agreed, that's what i meant, who wouldn't be proud of that?aryans are proud to be aryans .... I belive that's what rex ment and his right.
From http://m.spokensanskrit.de/index.php...tion=ES&link=yI don't think that the word aryan means noble ......
Arya (adj.) respectable worthy of one
arya (adj.) true dear
Arya (adj.) worthy
arya (adj.) favourable
Arya (adj.) noble excellent noble wise respectable
I totally disagree with the theory of the existence of a PIE language, but AFAIK "aryan" does not mean "noble" but "high people", difference may be sutile to some but it means an entire ethnic group, not just a upper class within a group as "noble" would mean
Since they were the ones calling themselves that, is not strange, is common for many peoples to refer to themselves as "we the unique the chosen the high the strongest the smartest the nicest the proudest with the longest d**ks"
Last edited by Anakarsis; November 25, 2011 at 11:07 AM.