Royal Family and General aging

[elbubo]

I'm wondering if there is a mod or something that makes possible to stop the aging of the members of the royal family and the generals, so that they will never age.

Thamks in advance for any answer

[Avatar]

I dont think its possible to stop the ageing process, however there are certainly mods than can allow characters to live for hundreds of turns, which is effectively the same thing.

[ChivalrousKiller]

If it was, then the Third Age team would probably have used it on their elves

[Kelvinator]

It's not a good idea anyway as you are just going to keep getting more and more generals, to the point you don't even need to train troops.

[Rat-tail]

A scrpit can be written to slow it down, or even have them "reborn" if they die. Yet I know nothing of completely stopping the aging effect.

[Saint Nicholas]

It's called the Fountain of Youth script.

[tudor93]

It's not a good idea anyway as you are just going to keep getting more and more generals, to the point you don't even need to train troops.

no, if you current ones won't die you won't get any adoption canditates and you won't have new born family memebers either because there's that limit of FM's / Generals depending on how many settlements you have

[DennisRoos]

You can increase the amount of turns per year, so instead of 2 years passing each turn, only 1 or half a year passes. This will cause your characters to live for more turns. I'm not sure in which file you can change it, but you should be able to find it on these forums easily. Just search for 'turns per year' and I'd think you should be able to find it.

And BTW chivalrouskiller, I vaguely remember someone from the TATW team stating that they couldn't increase the age for the Elves without increasing the age for every faction. So if they increased the age of Elves to 500 years for example, Men, Dwarves, Orcs etc would age to 500 as well. I might be wrong though, I don't know much about modding, and the problem may be something else, but this is what I recall.

[AJStoner]

If you set your game up to 4 TURNS per YEAR your starting characters will generally last for the duration of the game. Just add the following to yourdata/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script file:

; Seasonal Turn Script

declare_counter seasonal_turn
set_counter seasonal_turn 1

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 1
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 2
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 3
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 4
        console_command season winter
    end_if
    
    inc_counter seasonal_turn 1
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 5
        set_counter seasonal_turn 1
    end_if
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
    and I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn > 1
    console_command season summer

end_monitor

Then, in data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat, change the "timescale" line (near the top) to:

timescale    0.25

[tudor93]

If you set your game up to 4 years per turn your starting characters will generally last for the duration of the game. Just add the following to yourdata/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script file:

; Seasonal Turn Script

declare_counter seasonal_turn
set_counter seasonal_turn 1

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 1
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 2
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 3
        console_command season summer
    end_if
    
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 4
        console_command season winter
    end_if
    
    inc_counter seasonal_turn 1
    if I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn == 5
        set_counter seasonal_turn 1
    end_if
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
    and I_CompareCounter seasonal_turn > 1
    console_command season summer

end_monitor

Then, in data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat, change the "timescale" line (near the top) to:

timescale    0.25

uhm 0.25 ? 4 years per turn ? I thought the minimum is 0.5 and it means 6 months per turn meaning 4 turns per year

[AJStoner]

No minimum, this works fine. You can even go 12 turns per year if you like: HERE.

[kevindrosario]

uhm 0.25 ? 4 years per turn ? I thought the minimum is 0.5 and it means 6 months per turn meaning 4 turns per year

There is no minimum. Your character's age whenever the season changes from winter to summer. This happens once every 2 turns by default, so your characters age one year every two turns (or four in-game years). Changing the timescale to 0.5 will make it so they age properly by default because every two turns will now be 1 in-game year rather than 4.

But you can very easily create a script so every season doesn't change between winter and summer. You can hold the season as summer for 100 turns, and then change it to winter. Then your characters will only age one year for every 101 turns. That's what the above poster did. He held it as summer for 3 turns and changed it to winter for the 4th turn. That way characters only age once every 4 turns. In that case, the proper timescale would be 0.25.

[tudor93]

There is no minimum. Your character's age whenever the season changes from winter to summer. This happens once every 2 turns by default, so your characters age one year every two turns (or four in-game years). Changing the timescale to 0.5 will make it so they age properly by default because every two turns will now be 1 in-game year rather than 4.

But you can very easily create a script so every season doesn't change between winter and summer. You can hold the season as summer for 100 turns, and then change it to winter. Then your characters will only age one year for every 101 turns. That's what the above poster did. He held it as summer for 3 turns and changed it to winter for the 4th turn. That way characters only age once every 4 turns. In that case, the proper timescale would be 0.25.

wait wait wait, I'm no modder so I don't understand all those changes you guys are doing, tell me if I got it right; so I tohught it's this way: 1 turn means 2 years, your characters age 6 months per turn, that means 2 turns = 1 year for the character and 4 years for the rest of the campaign (or whatever , you get my point), so I thought that if I go in the descr_strat file and change that time_scale line (at least I know how to do this) from 2.0 to 0.5 it will all be fine like: 1 turn = 6 months instead of 2 years so the characters age properly.
I don't know a thing about how those seasons work, when they change, how they affect the character's aging etc. can you please explain ?

edit:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I get now, I think

That's what the above poster did. He held it as summer for 3 turns and changed it to winter for the 4th turn. That way characters only age once every 4 turns. In that case, the proper timescale would be 0.25.

so this means 1 turn = 3 months, the first 3 turns (first 9 months) = summer and the last turn (last 3 months) = winter
right ?

[kevindrosario]

What you said is correct. However, the 2 turns = 1 year for a character is only by default settings. This is because the season changes between summer and winter every turn. Characters age when the season changes from winter to summer, so this happens once every two turns by default. If you instead hold the summer so it lasts for 100 turns, then goes back to winter for a turn, then goes back to summer for 100 turns, etc. Then your characters will only age once every 101 turns.

Edit:

so this means 1 turn = 3 months, the first 3 turns (first 9 months) = summer and the last turn (last 3 months) = winter
right ?

Yup, that's right.

[tudor93]

ah ok thanks for explaining maybe when I'll be in the mood for M2TW again I'll try this script but I think I'll install SS (I played retrofit + guam the last time but now I want a major improvement) ; will the script work with SS ?

[kevindrosario]

To see if it's compatible with a mod, check to see if the mod already messes with the seasons. Taking a quick look through the SS campaign_script, it already has this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;=================== AGEING SCRIPT ======================
declare_counter season
declare_counter turn
set_counter turn 0

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
console_command season winter
set_counter turn 1
end_monitor

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart I_CompareCounter turn = 1

inc_counter season 1
if I_CompareCounter season = 1
console_command season summer
end_if

if I_CompareCounter season = 2
console_command season winter
set_counter season 0
end_if

set_counter turn 0

end_monitor

You would just have to modify that script with a higher counter. Maybe 1, 2, and 3 set to summer and 4 set to winter with a reset to 0. Or however many turns you want a year to be.

[issler]

There's no way to do it. Even with 2 year turns my family members still age like before, and it would be a pretty pathetic to do too, since the whole purpose of the game is not playing a single character through the whole campaign but telling the story of a country through the good and the bad times.

[kevindrosario]

There's no way to do it. Even with 2 year turns my family members still age like before, and it would be a pretty pathetic to do too, since the whole purpose of the game is not playing a single character through the whole campaign but telling the story of a country through the good and the bad times.

You not understanding how to do it =/= It not being possible

It's already been explained multiple times in this thread how to do it. Read again.

Edit: And if someone wants to play this game over the course of 50 years rather than 500 years, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to do so.

[Rat-tail]

I mainly play MTW2 with 4 turn = 1 year, so I can have a slow well planned game.

If I can keep my generals alive, they grow into great men. Since I do not adopt and rarely marry into my royal line, I do suffer the side effect of my children 4 times as long to mature.

It make the game much more mentally challenging.

[vin2579]

To see if it's compatible with a mod, check to see if the mod already messes with the seasons. Taking a quick look through the SS campaign_script, it already has this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;=================== AGEING SCRIPT ======================
declare_counter season
declare_counter turn
set_counter turn 0

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
console_command season winter
set_counter turn 1
end_monitor

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart I_CompareCounter turn = 1

inc_counter season 1
if I_CompareCounter season = 1
console_command season summer
end_if

if I_CompareCounter season = 2
console_command season winter
set_counter season 0
end_if

set_counter turn 0

end_monitor

You would just have to modify that script with a higher counter. Maybe 1, 2, and 3 set to summer and 4 set to winter with a reset to 0. Or however many turns you want a year to be.

Where would I edit? I am using SS 6.4