He's back...with more suggestions...

[pannonian]

Nice, clichéd way out of just admitting you allow racists on here even though the ToS says you don't.

Liberals tend not to want to exterminate entire races...

What's the point if the moderation will just give them a slap to the wrist and let them go about their work?

So what's a Q&S forum for then, playful banter? Maybe some spam?

Why won't you address my post? After all, it was I who set down that moderation policy, as I've explained.

[Fenwayb]

Nice, clichéd way out of just admitting you allow racists on here even though the ToS says you don't.

where does it say that?

[Armchair Revolutionary]

Actually, I pushed that line as CoM because I'm strongly liberal/libertarian, and I'd like as little action from moderation as possible, and as free an arena for discussion as possible. However, my opinion was extremely unpopular, and I could only enforce it for as long as I had the authority and energy to whip the mod staff into line. Since I've put down the red, I don't have the authority any more, and nor should I. It's up to the active staff to decide which direction they'd like to go.

You asked me to answer this point and I will. While I respect you for your opinion, racism is something that I think we can all agree is unacceptable and should be a violation of ToS, even if it is freedom of speech, it's hugely insulting and I doubt jews don't care when they see nazis being allowed to post that kind of drivel on here.


We're talking blatant, violent, illogical racism that has no reasoning behind it. Why is it allowed in the mudpit/academy as a political opinion when these people post no reasoning, no sources and have no credentials, yet somebody who posts a one line thread or opinion is told he is ignorant and cannot post there?

[pannonian]

You asked me to answer this point and I will. While I respect you for your opinion, racism is something that I think we can all agree is unacceptable and should be a violation of ToS, even if it is freedom of speech, it's hugely insulting and I doubt jews don't care when they see nazis being allowed to post that kind of drivel on here.


We're talking blatant, violent, illogical racism that has no reasoning behind it. Why is it allowed in the mudpit/academy as a political opinion when these people post no reasoning, no sources and have no credentials, yet somebody who posts a one line thread or opinion is told he is ignorant and cannot post there?

Actually, it was a Jewish admin who was probably the most hardline liberal/libertarian here, forever cracking down on moderation for not allowing enough freedom of discussion, and explicitly stating that anti-semitic comments should not be disallowed. I compromised a bit between his hardline liberalism and the opinion of the majority, by ruling that anything inciting action would come under hate speech. I later added calling names to that definition. But that was still too liberal for most, although they were willing to enforce that line for as long as I was red to hold them to it.

In my time in staff, on the subject of racism, he and I have been the most rigorous in allowing racists freedom, so if you disagree with this, then just blame it on our personal peccadillos, rather than blame the whole of the mod branch.

[Armchair Revolutionary]

Actually, it was a Jewish admin who was probably the most hardline liberal/libertarian here, forever cracking down on moderation for not allowing enough freedom of discussion, and explicitly stating that anti-semitic comments should not be disallowed. I compromised a bit between his hardline liberalism and the opinion of the majority, by ruling that anything inciting action would come under hate speech. I later added calling names to that definition. But that was still too liberal for most, although they were willing to enforce that line for as long as I was red to hold them to it.

In my time in staff, on the subject of racism, he and I have been the most rigorous in allowing racists freedom, so if you disagree with this, then just blame it on our personal peccadillos, rather than blame the whole of the mod branch.

I do not blame the mod branch, and I understand that it's a tough decision. I have a lot of respect for the Jewish admin you mentioned, as he has the maturity and intelligence to confront this racism without censoring it.



but now you're just letting Nazi's get away with it for the sake of letting Nazis get away with it when other people get banned for far more trivial things. Doesn't that dreaded "T" Word count as freedom of speech then? Doesn't criticizing another poster count as freedom of speech? Doesn't "naming and shaming" count as freedom of speech?

[pannonian]

I do not blame the mod branch, and I understand that it's a tough decision. I have a lot of respect for the Jewish admin you mentioned, as he has the maturity and intelligence to confront this racism without censoring it.

but now you're just letting Nazi's get away with it for the sake of letting Nazis get away with it when other people get banned for far more trivial things. Doesn't that dreaded "T" Word count as freedom of speech then? Doesn't criticizing another poster count as freedom of speech? Doesn't "naming and shaming" count as freedom of speech?

Just call it a belief in the principle of liberalism, and doing what we can to defend that belief, whilst adjusting the practice to reflect the practicalities of running a site. And as for people getting banned for trivial things, there's something called a points system, and it's described in the ToS.

[Armchair Revolutionary]

Just call it a belief in the principle of liberalism, and doing what we can to defend that belief, whilst adjusting the practice to reflect the practicalities of running a site. And as for people getting banned for trivial things, there's something called a points system, and it's described in the ToS.

It's described in the ToS that racism isn't allowed...



Such a shame my nazi comment has become the center of discussion. I genuinely thought the others were pretty good...